David Saks: Active Rain's Point System : It's Important

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Active Rain's Point System : It's Important

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A REALTOR®  posted a blog in 2008 suggesting that Active Rain points were useless, misleading and ego driven.

My reply was:

Not true ! 

The point scoring system is very crucial, has great significance and clearly identifies the mutual and reciprocal action of our members and their interaction.

The point system also clearly demonstrates the act of sharing in the activities of a group, more specifically any Active Rain group.

As a condition of sharing a common interest with others including our fellow realtors, mortgage brokers, stagers, appraisers, home inspectors, attorneys, educators, and our other colleagues, we are rewarded with points demonstrating our cooperation, camaraderie, and any quality of affording easy familiarity and sociability with our interests.

Through our associations, we add to this the quality and condition of being honored, esteemed, respected or well regarded by our peers and prefects. 

"I have an obligation to my profession of which I'm proud to belong."

The point system clearly represents something that serves to indicate or suggest the level of interaction each honorable Active Rain associate and member has with other members of our profession.

This system is also derived from a series of observed facts; can reveal relative changes in an agents level of professionalism, serves as a healthy indicator and a function of time spent in the industry, and may reward our members ultimately as an informal recommendation to a potential future employer, a buyer, a seller, or any other client or customer.

ActiveRain serves as a healthy indicator of an agents qualifications through their profile, their level of spirited cooperation in the network by the point system, the level of respect earned from their associates and colleagues through their interaction, and their dependability noted through testimonial, peer, clent and consumer review.

Thanks to all for taking a moment to consider my thoughts, and share yours, and for your participation in Active Rain.

-David-

 




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Comment balloon 285 commentsDavid Saks • November 15 2012 10:44AM

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You make some interesting "points".  Seriously, I do think the point system serves a purpose for many.  I think it is a great incentive.

Posted by Joan Whitebook, Consumer Focused Real Estate Services (BHG The Masiello Group) about 12 years ago

Very interesting reply and I also see value in points because those who are more active on this site are rewarded with better positioning within their market. 

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) about 12 years ago

David, I just joined AR about a month ago and so far, I've written and responded to posts almost every day. Each day, I am excited to see the points adding up, while knowing that I am building relationships with others. I would also comment that people are most likely to perform when rewarded, no matter how small that reward might be! Keep counting AR, I'm aiming for the Top!!

Posted by LaShawn Norden, REALTOR, (321) 377-0157, Your Real Estate Advocate in Central FL (Keller Williams Heritage Realty) about 12 years ago

I believe that from the points you improve your position on the Google search engine.

Posted by John Walters, Licensed in Louisiana (Frank Rubi Real Estate) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Joan. I believe it also encourages cooperation.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I like the points system . It shows how much effort people are willing to use to share their point of view.

Posted by Shaun Wren (AGENTFORLIFE) about 12 years ago

I agree with you, Sam. Thank you for your comment.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Very true, LaShawn. Thank you for your excellent comment.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Excellent comment John. It, indeed, serves to increase SEO further benefitting our members.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Very good thought, Shaun. It clearly demonstrates the level of interaction. Have a great week.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

David, I the points are also an indication of the dedication that some agents have to their profession, you are right, the more points you have, the more relationships you probably have too.  Good point!

Posted by Audrey June-Forshey, GRI, Gaithersburg, MD (RE/MAX Realty Services) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Audrey, for your thought. I agree with you. Great realtors create great relationships in our profession. Hope your having a fine evening.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

The point system seems brilliant to me, a new comer. It rewards participation. It rewards evangelism. It rewards professionalism. It rewards generousity. It rewards learning. It rewards local commitment. How good is that?

Richard

Posted by Richard Byron Smith, NMLS #184479, Mortgage Loan Officer (Mortgage Loan Officer, Fairway Independent Mortgage Corporation NMLS #2289) about 12 years ago

I am points-driven!  No, not really.  But it does make me get up and read blogs when I'm really too tired and make comments!  : )

Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) about 12 years ago

David...

The points system makes me write comments like this even when I'm dog-tired! How are you my friend.

Posted by Richard Weisser, Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional (Richard Weisser Realty) about 12 years ago

David:  Very good response, IMHO.  Well said, and actually I've not heard anyone explain the purpose of the point system better.  You certainly should have plenty of support for your position.  I love the point system and even though it sometimes has a glitch, it is really quite brilliant.

Posted by Jan Evett, Broker Associate, 20 years+ in real estate (The Premier Property Group LLC) about 12 years ago

Hi David..I am for the point system because it gives you a better Marketing position on the Local Info pages...I do get annoyed when people "work" the system by posting nonsense...it really spoils it for everyone!

Posted by Joan Mirantz, Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire (Homequest Real Estate) about 12 years ago

It's rewarding to hear from you, Richard Smith. The system is brilliant because it brings us together. Good thoughts.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Active Rain goes great with a good hot cup of coffee, tea or hot chocolate, too, Barbara. :-) It's one of the very first things I look forward to, along with the listings, when I'm at the computer. Active Rain participation is like practicing music; it sharpens our level of skill much the same way playing Chopin or Gershwin would be for the pianist. It's great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I think the point system is also very important, not just because I have a lot of points, but what I did to earn those points. I wrote a lot of material that brings me business and supports my fellow real estate professionals. I feel the point system involves a lot of writing and a normal writer of books is given a points system to if his next book is published based on how many of his past books are published, so why should we. The more you write the more points you get and the more business you get. You do have to work at this business and real estate is a capital business and the points are just our way of getting paid within the system for our hard work.

Hope that made sense!

Posted by Respect Realty LLC, Brokers - Oregon / SW Washington Real Estate (Respect Realty LLC) about 12 years ago

I think the point systme really works for us in our area because it keeps us on our toes and we wouldn;t want to be passed up by someone and not be a featured agent anymore

Posted by John Ford (Security National Properties) about 12 years ago

Hi Richard W. I hope this week has been a fine one for you to date. Memphis is grappling with a reassessment calendar and seeking ways to circumvent heavy losses in revenue; more specifically, the threat of a 56 cent increase in the city property tax rate. I'm just trying to sit back and watch the show :-), and doing fine, many thanks for asking, and thanks for burning the candle a little longer to say hi. It's a privilege to hear from you, as always.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Jan. It's always great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I agree with you, Joan. Hope this week has been a superb one for you. It's so good to hear from you, as always.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I  think the point system keeps members interested and it also ranks the active members in their respective categories.  Keeping score is the American way!

Posted by Robert Machado, CPM MPM - Property Manager and Property Management (HomePointe Property Management, CRMC) about 12 years ago

Very fine comment, Todd. I'm certain that most would agree with unconditional and enthusiastic appreciation. Very good to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Good to hear from you, John. It keeps our members sharp, and improves their business.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Great response, Robert. Hope your having a fine evening.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

The point system is good but it's not everything.  I've noticed the best agents, ie the ones who are here for  networking first, then points tend not to focus on how many points they get, they just blog and interact.  For example, you have multiple responses to posters and it appears they're trying to garner max points......most AR vets will group responses and if you only get 100 points instead of 250, oh well.  I'm not trying to call you out, I'm just pointing something that I noticed and now emulate.  In addition, there are some members who have lots of points but very few comments given or received.  When you see someone with 200 blog posts and that person has made 10 comments, that person is not interacting.  S/he is often posting listings and garnering max points that way.  That gets you higher up in AR but it doesn't necessarily get you referrals.  In my opinion, the points are cool but not everything.

Posted by Tchaka Owen (Galleria International Realty) about 12 years ago

David, terrific post!  Thank you, extremely well put!

Posted by Tony & Darcy Cannon, The C Team (Aubrey and Associates Realty) about 12 years ago

We believe that the AR points system encourages us to get off our duffs and to get and stay involved. The points are not the reason to be on AR but rather a fun way to keep us all coming back for more.

Posted by Patty Carroll about 12 years ago

Thanks for your opinion, Tchaka. I respond personally to my readers unless I'm overwhelmed with comments; then grouping is an option if time is a huge consideration. I answer as expeditiously as possible and consider it one of my rules governing socially acceptable behavior.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Tony and Darcy. I'm always delighted to hear from you. Hope your having a fine week.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

We'll put, Patty and Scott. :-) Good thoughts. Great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I see both sides...but I like the points as far as incentives and show the activity and participation of the blogger. 

Posted by n d (Naoma Doriguzzi) about 12 years ago

David,  Great response.  I love the point system and I believe it helps motivate people who would otherwise not participate to participate. 

Posted by Jimmy McCall, The Ex-Mortgage Consultant (JimmyMcCall.com) about 12 years ago

How do the points give you more google juice?  I don't get that, frankly.

Posted by Karen Rice, Northeast PA & Lake Wallenpaupack Home Sales (Davis R. Chant, REALTORS) about 12 years ago

I like the points system...the more you give, the more you get.  I am still learning my way around AR....and it is fun to see the points add up. 

Posted by Julee Patterson (Gateway Properties) about 12 years ago

David: Beautifully written and thought out. I agree with you. No, the system isn't perfect...what system really is?

But it has made ActiveRain what it is, and that is a very good thing.

Congrats on the feature!

Posted by Janet Guilbault, San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender (Platinum Home Mortgage Company) about 12 years ago

Hi David,

Thank you for sharing your points and we agree that there should be a point system for many reasons.  Those who don't get it, don't have to and that's the beauty of AR.  Nobody is twisting anybody's arm to be a part of the point system but it's a stroke of genius in my opinion.  Congrats on your gold star! :)

Posted by Robert and Lisa Hammerstein -201-315-8618, Bergen County NJ Real Estate (Christie's International Real Estate ) about 12 years ago

David, members who grouse that the points system is selfish and ego driven are the same people who don't trust a free capitalistic market to come up with the best solutions.

The very reason that Active Rain has been such a phenominal success is that we members are rewarded for contributing.

That's the very same reason that individuals striving for profit and self interest in our free market have transformed the world in 200 years.

Posted by Brian Schulman, Lancaster County PA RealEstate Expert 717-951-5552 (Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage, Lancaster PA) about 12 years ago

Hi David,

Points motivate ... I need motivation.

Points are fun, like a game ... I need fun.

They are what they are, and if a person abuses them, it says something about the person, not the points.  Points don't kill people .... :)

When all is said and done, it's between me and my points ....

Posted by Marie Meyer, Orange County New York Realtor (Keller Williams Realty) about 12 years ago

I like the system because it encourages me to read blogs of the industry and I have received a lot of very helpful information.

Posted by Janis Trent (Realty USA Southwest, Inc) about 12 years ago

I like the points that I get when I deposit a check into the bank.  I could care less either way about the AR points.  If they stay...they stay.  If they go...they go.  I don't need anything on the outside to drive, encourage or motivate me.  My motivation comes from within. 

My purpose for being here is to give back to agents because so many agents across the country took up time to help mentor me.  The emails and phone calls of appreciation are the only "points" that I need or ever want from this place.  That has value to me, both sentimental and financial off the referrals that I've received. 

I believe that which is great will make itself known and stand out to consumers, whether they have hundreds of thousands of points or just a few thousand. 

Posted by Jessica Horton Jessica Horton Realty, Jessica Horton: I'm not #1... You Are! (Jessica Horton - Jessica Horton & Associates) about 12 years ago

I see your point and agree with it....to an extent.  I do find it interesting however, that high points don't necessarily mean that someone has had significant real estate experience.  I've wondered about the relationship between points and experience level.  In studying my marketplace, I noticed that one of the agents ranking high in points for my area, has only sold 1 home in that market.  Another one has only sold 1 home ever.  Consumers and agents that view points as a testament to experience or expertise are mistaken.

 

 

Posted by Linsey Ehle (M Realty) about 12 years ago

David,

I think the points are a great motivator(for me) and I agree with you totally. It is also a great motivator for activerainers in my office. There is a little friendly competition going on(between Tammy and Joey).

It was great to meet you last month and look forward to networking with you in the future! 

Also, congratulations on the Activerain feature for this one. Well deserved!

Posted by Mike Frazier, Northwest Tennessee Realtor (Carousel Realty of Dyer County) about 12 years ago

David - The point system on ActiveRain keeps me pushing when I'd rather not.  Developing some healthy competition and accountability is a result of this system for me.  Outside of the obvious business benefits, I am connecting with people across the country that I would never have opportunity to without this site.  Points help me stretch to meet other people by looking for ways to reciprocate information and encouragement.  Thanks for your post...

Posted by Greg Steffens (Mountain Country Realty) about 12 years ago

David - You've summed up they way I feel and I'm sure a lot of others.  I've learned more from this site than I could have ever imagined and built relationships that will last.  Points do matter.

Posted by Debbie Summers (Charles Rutenberg Realty ) about 12 years ago

For me, the points system allows me to elevate my true status in the real estate community above those that got here but don't contribute all that much once they joined.

Once we get into the bracket of the regular contributors, it really doesn't matter where we place, except to use them as a gauge for activity.

In a strange way, they make us find ways and time to see what we can learn and contribute.

Posted by ActiveRain City and State Listing Group about 12 years ago

Good point...no pun intented.  Seriously, your response was a very articulate opinion with which I agree.

Posted by Melody Young, Auto Broker-Milestone Motoring (Milestone Motoring - Auto Broker/Dealer) about 12 years ago

David - Did you just turn a kick a$$ comment into a featured post?  If so, you just scored points in my book:-)

Posted by Jason Sardi, Your Agent for Life (Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina) about 12 years ago

Nice response David. Not too bad of response you're getting here as well.  Congrats on the feature, keep up the great work.  :-)

Posted by Brad Andersohn, ActiveBrad - 707.646.1876 (Executive Director of Education at eXp Realty) about 12 years ago

David - I am glad to see this post get some exposure.

Posted by Sam Miller, Knox County Ohio Real Estate Specialist (RE/MAX Stars Realty) about 12 years ago

David,

Thank you for defending AR. Your "points" are very interesting. They do effect your ranking in the search engines. I actually put myself on Google Alert. This alerts you to when your name is searched. It works. I mean the alert has notified me serveral times. The points do make you accountable too.

Posted by Becky Respess, ABR, CRB, CRS (Broker/Associate Century 21 Judge Fite Co) about 12 years ago

David, your explanation is the best I have seen. I guess to me points are a motivator just because I have that kind of persoanlity. If they did away with points I wouldn't be bothered and would continue to do what I do here on AR -

Posted by Jo Olson, Retired - HOMEFRONT Realty @ LAKE Roosevelt (HOMEFRONT Realty) about 12 years ago

The points are a reliection of: 1.The number of posts. Posts could be listings, and these usualy do not require the effort needed to write a substantive post. In that way the points for posts do not necessarily reflect the effort. 2. The numers of comments. This is more of a determination of participation in the network, especially if the comments offer views and opinions and not just the required number of words.

I am not sure that the number of points is a reflection of someone's expirience. I would say, the content would be a better indicator.

I started my participation on AR by being focused on the points. Thas has not been the case for me for a long time. I like participation and comments on my posts, whether my responses carry any points with them or not. I want to transmit what I know, and I would do it regardless of points. I also like a good exchange of views through commenting on other people posts, and would do it regardless of points as well. If I don't have much to say, I usually don't make a comment, also irrespective of points.

I understand that for many points are a good motivator. If it leads to better content and participation, then it's a good thing.

Posted by Faina Sechzer, Real Estate Expert - Princeton, Montgomery ,Hopewell, NJ (Henderson-Sotheby's International Realty) about 12 years ago

You are so right. There is also some sort of gratification with getting points, like going to Chucky Cheese and winning a bunch of tokens. Points sometimes show hard word and dedication. I think the points are great, it pushes the 'quality' writers to be dedicated.

Posted by Lindsay Pendleton, Marketing Agent - Property Management in Baton Rou (Relocating To Baton Rouge & Surrounding Areas) about 12 years ago

Hello again ... I guess I'm commenting on a comment (not that I remember which one), but when we respond to comments in our posts, we are not assigned points.  We do so to provide feedback to those who spent time reading and commenting on our posts.  It's this interactive communication that makes blogging so vital.  

Posted by Marie Meyer, Orange County New York Realtor (Keller Williams Realty) about 12 years ago

David, I have been a member for a long time and have the 3rd most points in the system. From what I've seen points were critical in the growth of this community. When AR first started points were used to direct members to the areas of the site that needed growth. For example when Localism was first put up the lure of points populated that site with content very quickly.

Points are also fun and they work on our competitive natures. I have also seen many folks come and go who I thought would never relinquish their position on the point leadership board. But lo and behold a year later they are no where to be found. In fact, with very few exceptions the folks that have the most points now will NOT have the most points a year from now. The reality is that the person who will have the most points 2 years from now has probably not even joined AR yet.

So for anyone who thinks they can't accumulate a lot of points my suggestion is to keep at it. Find a pace that works for you then just do it. You'll be amazed how fast you climb.

Posted by Bryant Tutas, Selling Florida one home at a time (Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC) about 12 years ago

I agree that the points serve a purpose. I , also, feel like as a newbie I'm at a disadvantage. Lucky for me none of the agents in my town have very many points. However, if I was a newbie in some cities I would be discouraged. Also, some agents have racked up a few points, but haven't participated in over a year. Maybe there could be points given for weekly participation?

Posted by Becky about 12 years ago

I definitely agree with you. The point system here on AR is way for members to communicate and stay active and get to know one another and possibly learn from each other. The point system is a way to keep us motivated and a great source of encouragement to continue to participate.

Posted by Terrie Leighton, Reno Real Estate Agent ~ Selling Homes in Reno (Ferrari-Lund Real Estate ) about 12 years ago

good article. Building up points takes a long term, consistent effort, and I have found usually the agents who are active on this site, are terrific agents in their marketplace!

Posted by Sean Carroll, Real Estate Speaker and "Expert" Coach (The Get Off Your A$$ Academy) about 12 years ago

Interesting, but more proof that if you post about the points you get featured and therefore earn even more points. 

Posted by A S about 12 years ago

Well put David!  Some people take advantage of the points system, but you have abusers in every aspect of life.

Posted by Jeremy Blanton, Myrtle Beach REALTOR®- myrtlebeachhomesblog.com (Myrtle Beach Homes Blog) about 12 years ago

Fantastic! Well thought out , well-written, potent - you identified all the key reasons and motivations-yeah David!

Posted by Liz Moras Migic, Chilliwack, British Columbia - Realtor about 12 years ago

Thank You for this post! I am a "newb" and have just started to figure out some of the whys involving points.

Posted by Mike Slager - Holland, MI Realtor (Greenridge Realty) about 12 years ago

Hi David,

I agree with you.  The points are fun and a little competitive and they are motivating.

I try to make it a point to comment on a few blogs every day and blog as much as I can, as long as I can be relevant

All the best!

Posted by Kevin O'Shea, White Plains, NY Real Estate (Coldwell Banker) about 12 years ago

I started with a competitive spirit, blogging for the points. Now I have learned so much from others, that I just need to blog to keep on learning. When the learning stops, it's time to move on. Points are certainly a nice incentive, though.

Posted by Brian Solinsky, CDPE, CNE, ABR (Keller Williams Realty) about 12 years ago

I am brand new to this - but find your posting interesting. Now if I could figure the rest of it out, I would reach home base. I look forward to reading the blogs and learning more, more, more. Thanks for the article!

Posted by Judy Hickerson (The Hickerson Group - Metro Brokers) about 12 years ago

The points system is awesome.  It is a great reward to those who are willing to spend the time.  I do definitely agree with the comments stating that it helps with the search engines.  Being new to the system, its nice to see that others agree that point system is a good thing.

Posted by Jennifer Kipila, The Muldowney Team - Ocean County Homes (Van Dyk Group) about 12 years ago

David,

Thanks for the post,  I want to say I agree.  The points may not mean much to some but, to me they help me gauge my activity.  I also am naturally competitive by nature so I love it.

Posted by Larry Story about 12 years ago

David,  You made me stop and think!  That is what blogging is all about.  Thanks!

Best wishes and continued success!

Pleasure Systems in the Brain

Motivation and Reward.  Do we do blog for points or  because it feels good?  Rewards are a way of increasing productivity. 

This is a quote off of eBay and their reward system:    "... individuals, people, use their opportunities differently and if you can use that opportunity differently, and advance more, and find more service to customers, if your a seller, and so forth, then you should be rewarded for that."

Posted by Ruthman Real Estate (Accessibility & The Power to Advise) about 12 years ago

David,

You are absolutely correct!  Personally, I enjoy seeing my numbers go up!  Thanks for your input...

Posted by Yvette Smith, Realtor In Williamsburg VA, Homes for Sale (LONG & FOSTER) about 12 years ago

David:  I love your response and I agree with it wholeheartedly. 

Can you please post this on our Optimist Board?  Thank you!

Posted by Mirela Monte, Myrtle Beach Real Estate (Buyers' Choice Realty) about 12 years ago

PS:  I'm glad it's already a featured post.  I was going to flag it for that.

Posted by Mirela Monte, Myrtle Beach Real Estate (Buyers' Choice Realty) about 12 years ago

David, the point system works, but it could be improved. I recently went through the list of Active Rainers in my state, Illinois, and found that about half the people who were ranked above me had not posted in months, and in some cases well over a year. I know for a fact that some of these people have left the business. They obviously worked toward accumulating their points at the time, but they aren't active now and it misrepresents the system showing them as point leaders. 

Posted by Peter Thompson, Chicago Mortgage Insight about 12 years ago

I think points are important.  It shows how active someone is and how long they have been blogging as well. 

Posted by Rob Arnold, Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F (Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc.) about 12 years ago

David, well stated!  And congratulations on a well deserved gold star!

Posted by Patricia Kennedy, Home in the Capital (RLAH Real Estate) about 12 years ago

DS,

I`ve been here since day1.

Active Rain commenced as a point driven network and has evolved from there..

It`s more Google juice driven in my opinion than points nowadays.

That too will probably change down the road..

Posted by Scott Daniels Florida Real Estate 2.0. Agents Earn 100% Commission. (Florida List For Less Realty, Inc. Broker/Owner. ) about 12 years ago

Most of the time I think the point system is/was brilliant . However, it has generated some posts to just get points and these have really not added to the AR body of knowledge. There is some disincentive for newbies when they see all those people ahead of them. In the beginning points were needed to get AR going, I think they are less important now. I think now it is important to participate in AR to gain knowledge and for networking, not for the points. Participate and the points will come.

Posted by Wayne B. Pruner, Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI (Oregon First) about 12 years ago

I think the point system works well here because as real estate agents (as well as other business types here on AR) we are naturally competitive.  I would be here even if there were no points, just for the tremendous amount of shared info.  On the other hand, I don't like agents who post every office listing available and give the appearance that these are their personal listings.  Very transparent!

Posted by Lisa Ryan, Selling Princeton,West Windsor and Montgomery Town (Callaway Henderson Sotheby's International Realty) about 12 years ago

Points are what made this blogging site a success.  Everybody is a little competitive

Posted by Russ Ravary ~ Metro Detroit Realtor call (248) 310-6239, Michigan homes for sale ~ yesmyrealtor@gmail.com (Real Estate One) about 12 years ago

When I joined there was maybe a few hunfred..I didn't even activiely start blogging until much later or I would have over 500K points. If you look at my posts youll see a different of variety. It took a long time to accumulate my 250k points from various different ways...I also know now that I have over 10K in comments both out and in and I have made money from my blogs so I guess there's the answer to your questions. I'm also a fulltime Realtor(R) for over 12.5 yrs activiely busy selling RE while I blog at night or early morning and also contribute to the network. I work on a few projects on the side for AR as well..you could say I'm pretty active in all venues here and in the field. I'm not sure what points do but i have lot's of them from honest effort.

Posted by Neal Bloom, Realtor CRS-Weston FL Real Estate (Brokered by eXp Realty LLC) about 12 years ago

David~ I am so proud of you getting a GOLD STAR!  Congratulations!  I think the points are good.  It gives all of us some incentive to stay active in the rainand to contribute.  I must admit though, now that I am addicted to activerain I would still be here and do what I do with or without points!  By the way, I enjoyed meeting you in our activerain class a few weeks ago.  You are a genious on the computer, I noticed that in class!

Posted by Vickie McCartney, Broker, Real Estate Agent Owensboro KY (Maverick Realty) about 12 years ago

I like the point system - I remember the uproar on April Fool's Day when it was announced that they would drop it.  :)

Posted by Courtney Cooper, 206-850-8841 (Ben Kinney Brokerages Leadership at our Keller Williams North Seattle Office) about 12 years ago

It's neither useless, misleading and ego driven nor is it important. :)

Points is points.  To be sure, along with 25 cents they'll get you a cup of coffee in terms of business, but points is points.

Posted by John Lockwood (Lockwood Real Estate) about 12 years ago

Greazt blog David,  I have tried to explain it to people and you did a great job.

Posted by Greg Adelman (Midwest Home Center) about 12 years ago

Points reflect our motivation and desire to acheive.  Some of us are very competitive.  It isn't the points that matter.  It's the rank that matters.  Rank means visibility.  Points are just fun.

 

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) about 12 years ago

Although I am a newby to ActiveRain, it seems that the point system is a great tool in distinguishing between those who have joined to network and participate,  and the rest.

Posted by Jean about 12 years ago

Good thoughts, Naoma. The incentives to participate reside within the outstanding collective body of wisdom that is ever present within the Active Rain community. Hope your having a great week.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

David...

Well, well, well, you're famous now. I hope you remember us "little guys!" as you climb the ladder of blogdom superiority! Congrats.

 

Posted by Richard Weisser, Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional (Richard Weisser Realty) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Jimmy, and I agree with you; it's an outstanding resource and superb motivator. great to hear from you. Hope all is well with our Tennessee neighbors in beautiful Clarksville.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

The quality of having a superior or more favorable position with search engine optimization becomes a natural occurrence through your participation, Karen. You improve the quality of your traffic with Active Rain because Active Rain is an honorable community and it's technicians the best. It's good to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Swell thoughts, Julee. Like the Beatles said :"The Love You Take Is Equal to The Love You Make" or was it vice - versa :-) Great to hear from you and hopes that today has been a great one for you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

David - I can see you are going to be busy for a bit...   :-)  Nice to see that a "POINT" was well made on your post and response!!  :-)

Posted by Mr. R.E. Scribble (ScribblerBlog) about 12 years ago

Many thanks, Janet. It is indeed, as you say, a very good thing, and so are friends like you you that take the time to consider the importance of Active Rain. I feel like Jack Nicholson did in "As Good As It Gets" when he expressed his regard for Helen Hunt, and I want to say to you and  Active Rain "....you make me want to be a better man." ....and REALTOR® :-)

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Many thanks to you, Robert and Lisa . It's great to hear from you. I agree with you. The point system is outstanding. Robert, are you related to Oscar Hammerstein? I spent time in the Gershwin home on Riverside in New York City some years ago with late Gershwin family friend and biographer Ed Jablonsky, and we spoke much of Lorenz Hart, Richard Rogers, Yip Harburg and Oscar. I'm honored to know you and I hope that this day has been a great one for you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Congrats on the feature. Points are motivating! They motivated me when I was new! I kept trying to see who I could pass next.

Posted by Monika McGillicuddy, Southern NH & the Seacoast Area (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty) about 12 years ago

Great thoughts, Brian. The best economists in America couldn't have said it any better than you and would have been proud of you. :-) I'm honored to hear from you and hope your having a beautiful week in marvelous PA.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

really quick, because I am just plum tired... I agree and disagree.  It's sad when you get many comments... or avg. 20 comments per post... then you write a well written meme, but you do this on your outside blog...  you come back and write just a paragprah leading people to that blog....  you get 6 comments on here and only a few more on the outside one....  most are from the same people that commented on your AR post....  but they don't leave comments out there....  is it because they really wanted their 25 pts per comment? 

Yes, I am ranting... yes, I think the point system is good.... I am competitive.... but I hate people that abuse it.  I also think it's lame when they can't muscle up a comment somewhere else, because they won't get their 25 pts.  lastly, I have been here for 18 months, write good blogs, comment often... I am like #17 overall... I have someone a few slots behind me... and only because they have writen twice as many blogs as I have, in a shorter period... and many of them are... well, I'll be polite... BS with no substance, just rambling about daily stuff....  I think these people should go into a different group and compete for points on the Island of misfit toys..   those are my .02...  ;o)

jeff belonger

Posted by Jeff Belonger, The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans ( Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc) about 12 years ago

Motivation is a great thing, Marie. I'm very happy to hear from you and hope that your having a fine week.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

The information, the friendship and the learning is very valuable to all of us, Janis. I'm very glad to hear from you this fine day, and hope your having a great week.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I believe the point system encourages communication between professionals. Also, the point system encourages professionalism as well with regards to content of blogs, format, etc.

Posted by Sharon Paxson, Newport Beach Real Estate (Compass) about 12 years ago

I think the point system brings balance to posting and responding here on AR.  It encourages the interaction among the professionals and assists in establishing relationships. 

Posted by Pam Winterbauer, "Providing Blue Ribbon Service" (Pam Winterbauer Real Estate) about 12 years ago

Ooops....I think that posted is a very angry at something other than points.

Posted by Pam Winterbauer, "Providing Blue Ribbon Service" (Pam Winterbauer Real Estate) about 12 years ago

Jessica, you said, ".....that which is great will make itself known and stand out to consumers, whether they have hundreds of thousands of points or just a few thousand." and..."I don't need anything on the outside to drive, encourage or motivate me."

I agree with the first comment.

I disagree with the second. A mentor is the person who guides you, helps you, takes you under his or her wing and helps your career. A mentor begins working from the outside, working with external stimuli. It's the effort that they spread or diffuse through your inner self that motivates the consciousness within you and drives your spirit.

Many thanks for commenting, and I hope your having a fine week.

 

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Linsey, first, thanks for commenting. I'm a technology manager and a broker for 60 plus agents and have given away hundreds of referrals that have poured over my desk to many, many agents, and have never, ever taken a dime for a referral. I've assisted the listing process for thousands of homes but don't take listings or even serve as a facilitator. I'm not a salesman. I've helped many find housing and saved homes on the brink of foreclosure with good counseling opportunities. I work with committees to eliminate blight and poverty throughout my city and I work in a poverty ridden section of Memphis and Shelby county where the median income is less than 15 thousand dollars a year for a family. I've also built several Habitat Homes in my community. The foreclosure rate where I live is among the highest in the nation because of the poverty and joblessness. I fight higher reassessment and property tax increases and counsel with county officials to try to ease the burdens on our property taxpayers. I understand the real estate profession as well as anyone in Memphis. My father was an agent and my uncle a past president of the Memphis Area Home Builders Association. A conscientious, working relationship with the industry is as important to me as sales. To the independant contractor, however, sales are the lifeline of the industry. I have a commitment and an obligation as a realtor to help our sales teams everyday. The experience and spirit of cooperation exists for all within Active Rain in addition to the encouragement to remain vigilant with sales. I have chosen not to be a salesman. Maybe I'll change when I'm 62 :-). I counsel others in my community and I try to help them find solutions to their problems and make recommendations if they reside within the confides of my jurisdiction as a licensed real estate agent in Tennessee. I entrust matters outside of my jurisdiction to those more qualified to address those matters. I'm here to learn from other professionals, as yourself, about ways to help my community as a real estate professional.

I respectfully disagree with your comment that, "Consumers and agents that view points as a testament to experience or expertise are mistaken."

Many of our members, remarkably, possess a style in speech and writing that arrests attention and has a penetrating or convincing quality and effect. Their points may distinguish and individuate their characteristics. The discerning consumer and agent may ultimately find reward in their collective wisdom by investigating the content when they see a large point total which suggests volumes of input benefitting the community at large.

Hope this week has been a fine one for you,

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

It's always great to hear from you, Mike. It's my hope that more of the affiliated agents and brokers in Memphis will become involved with Active Rain in the days to come. The benefits are without bounds for real estate professionals. I hope that this has been a fine week for you and your great staff. Many thanks, always, for your kind thoughts, Mike.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Hi Greg, and thank you for your nice comment. To know that the system motivates you is encouraging, indeed. Accountability is also our responsibility to each other as real estate professionals, and I appreciate your mentioning that.  I'm very grateful for the learning opportunities. Hope this has been a great week for you

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Debbie. It encouraging to hear from you. Hope your having a fine evening.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

When a blog post elicits a good reaction from others, Don, and motivates us to work with our colleagues, an event has occurred that has accomplished it's intended purpose and makes this experience great. I'm grateful for your thoughts, and hope this has been a fine week for you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Melody. It's nice to hear from you. Hope you have a fine week ahead.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Hi Jason. Thanks so much. It's great to hear from you. Hope this has been a fine week for you, my friend.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Brad, I'm very honored to hear from you. Each day is great because of Active Rain, and the new interest and enthusiasm demonstrated by our members. Your a great friend to all of us and I cherish you as my colleague. I hope this beautiful day finds you in the best of health.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Many thanks, Sam. Hope all is well with you this fine day.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Becky. The Google Alert is a great feature. Hope this has been a fine day for you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Many thanks, Jo. Good to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Good to hear from you, Faina. Participation is a good thing.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Lindsay, for your comment. Chucky Cheese...hmmmm??...blog skills and Pac Man skills are little different. Good to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Interaction is good, Marie. thanks for commenting.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I love points. Thanks for saying kind things about them.

Posted by Dawn Maloney, 330-990-4236 Hudson & Northeastern Ohio (RE/MAX Trinity Northeast Ohio Real Estate Specialist) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Bryant, and it's great to hear from you. Technology is changing rapidly and two years from today is, indeed, a long time, when obsolescence and devolution of today's technological standard is a stones throw forward. have a fine week ahead, my friend.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

You may be the most advantageous among us, Becky, with many new learning opportunities available to you with a fresh return and outlook within Active Rain. Many thanks for your nice comments, and hopes for your continued success.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Terrie. It's good to hear from you and nice comment, indeed.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

They are terrific agents, Carroll. Thank you much for your great comment.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I would **LOVE** to hear a technical explaination of how points improve your SEO, as a few here are claiming.

Are you saying Google "sees" how many points you have and gives you more "juice"? I find that difficult to comprehend.

You may get "more SEO" if you have more *posts*, which in effect means you have more points, but I seriously doubt Google cares one iota how many AR points you have.

JT

 

Posted by Jay Thompson (Zillow) about 12 years ago

Thanks for your perspective on the point system.  I like the point system.  However, I find there area a number of "AR groupies".  I know how the system works and I enjoy working w/fellow Rainers outside of NC but the locals are kind of "groupies" IMO.

Posted by Tracy Santrock, Raleigh - Cary Realtor/Broker In Charge (Fonville Morisey/Santrock Realty Group, Inc. ) about 12 years ago

The interesting "thing" about Active Rain, to me at least is the information that you can gather, the "points" of view from "like" professionals (which is very helpful) and the information in general that is here to be used.  The "point" system is "fun" to watch and it does bring out our competitive nature (like Bryant Tutus stated), but for me, its the information that I can gather and hopefully provide, as well as, creating a place for me in the search engines.  It is just a wonderful tool, a great and positive environment and provides a sense of camaraderie with folks we'll most likely, never meet.  I agree with your post ......... I have just learned to do my own thing here, not try to impress, but learn, hopefully offer helpful information and I pay less attention to "who has the most" that just doesn't matter to me. 

Posted by Sondra Sheckler Realtor,ABR,SRES,Historic Home Specialst (Coldwell Banker, Award Of Excellence & Million $$ Producer) about 12 years ago

The pionts are the incentive to spend time on the site and then all of a sudden your learning and teaching someone. 

Posted by Kelly Winch, Broker, CDPE (Cascades Sotheby's International Realty) about 12 years ago

David, well well another post on points. But so elequently spoken with a different twist on our motivations. First I comment so over 10 times a day that when I would read posts on points, I would think, "who cares about points?"

Then a funny thing happened a few weeks ago when I was out of town and out of my routine. I was concerned about gettting my 10 comments in.

Ahhh, my heart was exposed.

nahhh, Google doesn't give a flip about points, but we do, Realtors are a competitive bunch deep down. LOL

I read so much out in the blogosphere of ridicule on the AR point system, I think they are just jealous they didn't think of it first.

Posted by Missy Caulk, Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate (Missy Caulk TEAM) about 12 years ago

David:

I appreciate you taking the time to answer my comment and offer your opinion.  I would like to reply and to expand on my view of A|R Points.

"A mentor is the person who guides you, helps you, takes you under his or her wing and helps your career. "

I would say that a mentor would have to have compassion, concern and impersonal love for his/her fellow man which would motivate them to want to give back.  Which would have to begin internally in order for them to want to do it in the first place.  It is the mental attitude of the mentor that causes them to want to help better their fellow man.  Not the fellow mans condition.  It's a gift.  You give from your heart.

But, I guess if you really want to be technical about it, outside influences are what help us develop our norms and standards in the first place.  Nobody is born with a complete and fully functional set of them.  We have to learn them from somewhere.

Now...back to points.

It is my opinion that points are the result of the genius of the AR management team to help ensure that their site is "sticky".  They are meant to encourage the competitive nature of individuals because I would dare say that plenty of realtors(r) (and people in general) are driven by ego, power lust and approbation lust.  To be recognized.

Bloggers blog to be recognized.  Myself included on post written to generate business.  Other posts, I throw out to try and give back.

Now, the bloggers on here may very well use points for accountability and motivation to keep it up...but that doesn't change the fact that time spent on site, number of new members and the number of new posts is probably very important to management.  The longer they stay, the more members there are, the more they post...the higher the perceived value for AR.  I would almost be willing to bet the farm that something along those lines is written down in a business plan somewhere.

It's just good business.  It is pure genius and I salute AR for thinking of it.  It helped to differentiate their site from competing portals and build loyalty to their brand.  So, points really are good for business.  Which is what it all boils down to in the end regardless of our motivation.  So, I think it is important to recognize them for what they are not just how we perceive them to be. 

I think our society places too much emphasis on what we have and how much of it we have.  It tells us that is where we should base our significance.  I don't place any significance on these points and I wouldn't ever refer one of my clients to a member based off how many points they have on here.  Any realtor(r) with a computer and internet connection can post on here.  That doesn't make them proficient or knowledgeable at their job.  Nor, does posting a plethora of good article equate to having the proper skill set to successfully handle a transaction from start to finish. 

With a little research and some common sense, I can write about how to successfully fly a jet but I wouldn't recommend going up with me for a test flight.  I would hope that consumers would be smart enough to select an agent to list their most valuable possession (or find one) and to entrust the needs of their family (getting where they need to go...when they need to be there) to a realtor® that has more to offer than just post count or points.  

Points on Active Rain may be rewarding and motivating but they do not necessarily equate to professionalism and ability to get the job done.  Since this isn't a members only post, I highly encourage potential home buyers and seller to fully investigate, do their due diligence and interview before selecting their realtor(r)!

Posted by Jessica Horton Jessica Horton Realty, Jessica Horton: I'm not #1... You Are! (Jessica Horton - Jessica Horton & Associates) about 12 years ago

I agree with you....without the point system I don't think we would get the interaction that do on AR. Besides, it's nice to see a 'reward' system...who doesn't like to know they're getting recognized for participating in something they believe in.

Utah Real Estate

Posted by Kaleb Kunz about 12 years ago

The point system drives me to this little box allll the way at the bottom due to a featured post with about a zillion comments I have to scroll down before I reach that little box....and now I am writing in this box to gain 25 points....lol in all seriousness, good points!

Posted by Justin Williams, Loan Officer (Independent) about 12 years ago

Right you are, Andrew. Thanks for your comments.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Jeremy. Good advantage for business is the best advantage.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I appreciate your kind thoughts, Liz.  Hope your having a fine evening.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Hi Mike, great to hear from you and welcome to Active Rain. It's great to have you here.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Kevin. It is great fun. Good to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Great thought and fine comment, Brian. Nice to hear from you, this morning.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thanks, Hickerson Group. Learning is key. Good to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Muldowney Team. Quality time spent in Active Rain is extremely rewarding. Great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Excellent comment, Larry. Great way to reflect upon our careers. Hope your having a fine day.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you for the good thoughts, RK. This type of motivation and reward is safer than gambling (which I don't do and never have). Have a great weekend.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Good to hear from you, Yvette.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Buyer's Choice, for the kind thoughts and invitaion to the Optimists Board. It's great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Hi Peter. I'm looking forward to reading suggestions on ways to improve. Excellent thoughts to consider. It's great to hear from you and I hope you have a fine weekend.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

They are important, Rob, and a great indicator of blogging activity. Glad to hear from you. Hope your summer's off to a fine start in beautiful Florida.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Patricia. I'm honored by your comment.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thanks, Scott, for visiting. If it's good for business, it's good. :-) Hope you have a great week ahead.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I understand it's not supposed to be all about the points, but people like to know how they're doing and be rewarded for their efforts.

Posted by Christine Donovan, Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M (Donovan Blatt Realty) about 12 years ago

Hi Wayne. Great to hear from Oregon and beautiful Portland this fine day. Many thanks for your thoughts.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thanks, Lisa, for taking the time to add your thoughts. The listings have their place in certain arenas. It's great to hear from you and I hope you have a great weekend and a fine week ahead.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Agreed, Russ. Great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

That's exactly what I'm trying to say, Neal : your honest effort demonstrates to many that your an honest Realtor®, and a great one. It's great to hear from you this morning. Hope this will be a fine weekend for you, and congratualtions on your great success with Active Rain !

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I'm very honored by your comment, Vicki, and very glad to hear from you. Hope the coming days are the greatest for you, as every day should be. Hope we can all get together again soon !

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

It was pretty doggone funny, Courtney, and proof of how important the system actually is. Thank you so much for that reminder. It's great to hear from you, and I hope you have the best weekend, too.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Elite Properties, for your comment.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Greg. My best wishes for you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Excellent comment, Lenn, and many thanks for your thoughtful input. Hope this day finds you much success.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Gary. I'm pleased to hear from you, and many thanks for commenting.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

It is absolutely, great, Jean, and great to hear from you as well. Many thanks and hopes for a fine weekend for you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Richard W. I value your comments, highly.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Mr. Scribble. Busy is an understatement :-)

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Great to hear from you, Monika, and thanks for your kind words. Healthy competition and cooperation means rewards for all of us. Hope you have a fine week ahead and a great weekend, too.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

It's about making new friends in the business, too, Jeff. I understand your feelings and respect your thoughts. I'm honored to have your comment and hope for every good thing for you in the days to come, including great new business opportunities as a result of your continued participation in Active Rain. Your experience is invaluable to us. Congratulations on your ranking.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

David- wow, you got a lot of comments on this post and congrats on your gold star. Points are the genius of Active Rain. I love points and they do get you noticed even from Google. Google does not see  the points but the spiders take notice of the activity, the linking and the constant posting, the reward on AR is the points, on Google is #1 on page 1!

Posted by Katerina Gasset, Get It Done For Me Virtual Services (Get It Done For Me Virtual Services ) about 12 years ago

Indeed, it does, Sharon. Thank you for commenting. Hope you have a fine weekend, too.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

You think he might be angry, Pam ? :-) It's always great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Hi Jay and Francy. if you'll Google or Live Search SEO you'll find some great ideas. My best wishes to you, and thanks for commenting on the post.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Tracy, for your input. The system works, yes. Great to hear from you today.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Hi Sondra, and thanks for taking some time to consider this issue. It is fun, and the opportunities are very rewarding for all of us. Have a fine week ahead, too.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Great comment, Kelly. It's great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Interesting, Missy. It's very good to hear from you. Hope you have a fine weekend.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Jessica, accept the following reply to your last comment as a bit of an epithet, but analagous to our discussion:
When an agent has trouble dealing over the loss of a client or customer, he or she doesn't know whether to scream or play with their toys.

What follows are three ways I believe one may deal with negative feelings over loss of a client -

1. Allow yourself a short period of time to mourn over your loss. Effects of client loss can feel overwhelming. So you need to acknowledge your feelings and decide to cope with change.

2. Get busy with a new client search. One of the best antidotes for feeling depressed about client loss is new activity.

3. Leave emotions behind when meeting customers and clients. When you wallow in emotions, your anger is projected on to prospective customers. This can ruin relationships. You'll be unsuccessful at generating new clients.

Now for a little Saksonian psychology :-)

I've discovered in my career that agents who deal with negative feelings by admitting a problem exists, and that it's affecting their life -- especially their career when they fail to recognize the importance of giving credit to others within their profession rather than diligently and uselessly trying to compete with them when cooperation is the best choice,and are thinking "somebody throw me a lifeline," should agree to meet with their broker and consider a career change.

While I cannot deny that some are dealing with negative feelings over the point system, most will not be forced to abandon their desire to contribute good material much to the benefit of our great community. The idea is ludicrous. Is it a good idea to slow down the pace of Active Rain? I think not. I'll continue the networking and self-assessment stages of my blogging campaign and hope that in the process I've contributed to the positive development of every member of the real estate profession, whatever their respective responsiblity happens to be or where their priorities reside, either as broker, salesperson, lender, appraiser, attorney, stager, educator, builder or banker.

My hypothesis may appear to be taken for granted by some, but giving top priority to negative feelings surrounding the point system is absolutely in the minority. Recomendations need not be specifically to clients and customers, but to each of us that call ourselves real estate professionals, and from there we have a frame of reference in which to consider the merits of others within the community. It's OK to hit the panic button to release some steam, frustration, and anxiety by responding to everyone you know to tell them how upset you are about the idea of recommending an agent based on their blogging input.

You've earned that right as an Active Rain member, or as an interested observer that wandered into a public forum. But what about a cornucopia of great content, great testimonials from associates, blog content which manifests the quality of the material in fine order and is extremely abundant, fertile with good advice and the mutual cooperation your colleagues? I've yet to discover the obloquy, any false accusation of an offence or a malicious misrepresentation of someone's words or actions in Active Rain. There may be misrepresentations, but they scarcely and rarely qualify as intentional. When you send a referral to an Active Rain member, do you "...investigate, do... due diligence and interview before selecting..."? When you receive one, has that Active Rain member, "...investigate(d), do(ne)... due diligence and interview(ed) before selecting..."? And what criteria or platform or frame of reference do they refer or have by which to adjudicate integrity; your profile, your blog, your points, which demonstrate your level of participation ? Or when that same Active Rain member simply asks that customer to contact you, could it remotely be because they "...investigate, do... due diligence and interview before selecting..." and send that customer your way ? Although points may not appear at the surface to meet one's standards for professionalism, I'd be inclined to place some confidence in the hands of a member that's racked up 90, 100, 150 thousand or more points; but in the same breath, I'd like to have the option to allow one without points as much of a rational motive for a belief in their skill and their ability to carry out an action vital to the successful operation of their skill as a real estate professional. I pride myself on the awareness that our community is knowledge-based, that cognition is refined, has succeeded and is marked by a favourable outcome through cooperation. I believe that as time goes on, as I have said, points serve as a healthy indicator of time well spent in our industry. To say this is not true is to say that Active Rain is a waste of time.

To utter in a blog post or believe that your time is wasted here is a sensation of fright to me and I shudder to think that anyone could think or post such a thing, but they do, indeed.

The point system is magnificent.

 

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Kaleb. nice to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Justin.... :-) great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thank you Nestor and Katerina. Best wishes for you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I see points as an incentive and a way to measure our progress. Real estate agents can be competitive, both with themselves and with others in their market area. The points help fuel that competitive spirit.

Others have cited Google juice. Sure, my AR blog has a PageRank of 4, but a dedicated blogger could achieve that just as easily outside of the Rain. The biggest benefits of AR are the search rankings, the masterminding, and the networking -- and none of those have anything directly to do with points.

Posted by John Novak, Henderson, Las Vegas and Summerlin Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty The Marketplace) about 12 years ago

The term Google Juice is road worn, mutilated and misunderstood, John, and I agree that aggressive blogging will absolutely get you noticed in the search engines. Have people forgotten what meta tags actually are because they've become pushbutton webdesigners? I've been using the same file managers and html editors for more than eleven years, and I have more than thirty thousand hours of progamming experience. I've never spent a dime for an SEO consultation. I had to work very hard to get those positions, and I had some great teachers. Active Rain activity is well represented in the search engines. I'm certain that there are a host of good reasons why that is so. Sifting through the competition is challenging. Good to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

The point system works great for A type peopke who need to keep score to see how they are doing

Posted by Brett Noel (Keller Williams) about 12 years ago

What exactly, or even broadly, is your definition of an "A" Type Person, Brett ? Are Type-A people the kinds of people who feel compelled to always be active, and they're often struggling to find ways to take it easy ? What about motivating factors that compel them to react ? Is that good or can aggressive interaction work against this type of individual ? Do you see Type "A" as a useful or valuable quality for the community at large ? If not, why ? Do you believe that this is the only type of personality that receives a benefit from the points system ? Who is excluded ? Do you enjoy being rewarded for your labor, Brett ? If so, would that also make one an "A Type" person ?

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

DS,

Points are for guys like Lance the Car wash guy!

Where did he go ????

Posted by Scott Daniels Florida Real Estate 2.0. Agents Earn 100% Commission. (Florida List For Less Realty, Inc. Broker/Owner. ) about 12 years ago

David,

Thanks and hopefully others will understand the true meaning of blogging and the benefits both for business and for me...therapeutic reasons.:)

Posted by Neal Bloom, Realtor CRS-Weston FL Real Estate (Brokered by eXp Realty LLC) about 12 years ago

I believe the points are a reflection of one's level of participation on Active Rain. And with participation, hopefully in a positive way, many benefits can be and are realized.

Posted by DDR Realty, Orange County NY (DDR Realty) about 12 years ago

Points may be ego driven...in some cases...and there will always be those...it is abused...I have seen one agent use the same blog over and over and over....or to blog to blog and not really say anything. Contributing to the industry....learning something...becoming aware of the latest technology in ways that you never could otherwise...sharing information. When you look at someone's blog or profile and see they have a "significant number" of points...unless they are new of course...to me, it says something abut their caring and credability.

Posted by Sally K. & David L. Hanson, WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce (EXP Realty 414-525-0563) about 12 years ago

David -


Thanks for the suggestion to Google SEO. But I know a little bit about SEO and I just can't believe that Google knows or cares how many Active Rain points someone has. To think that a spider comes to AR and says "Ooh, this guy has lots of points, lets give him a little boost" is absurd. The spider may "think" that when it sees lots of relevent content with your name attached to it, but that's because of the content, not the points awarded to it.

I think when AR first started (and I was here before they even had blogs) that the points were needed to grow the network. It was a genius move.

There is no question that some AR posts can get good search results. But the same can be done with a "outside blog".  Mine does pretty well.

I prefer to have my work and content go to building my brand, not ARs brand. I don't ever have to worry about my blog -- and its content -- being bought and sold, the terms of conditions changing, or anything.

No, I won't get 200 comments on one of my blog posts. But they are still seen by 1,000+ people a day, people still sign up for the IDX search every day, and fill out contact forms daily -- points or no points.

AR is a fabulous place to meet new people and network. There's great people here. The "point abuse" grows tiresome, but it'll never stop. Some people will game any system they can.


JT

Posted by Jay Thompson (Zillow) about 12 years ago

David...

Sorry. I don't have time to read all of these comments. So, if I mimic anyone please accept my apology in advance.

The point system has been a touchy subject from the very beginning of AR. Personally, I feel they give misleading google results at times. Having lots of points doesn't make someone an expert in their field. But, having said that there are folks with lots and lots of points who are experts. Points are like the proverbial double edged sword.

As far as getting in all the points I can...Well...It's obvious...I've left a lot of points on the table. There are times when I will go weeks with out putting up a new post. I've never used localism and I comment as much as I can. As I like living in the real world I find it difficult to keep up with AR nowadays points or no points.

On a lighter note...I'd still like to be able to trade my points for hats :)

TLW...ROAR!

Posted by "The Lovely Wife" (Broker Bryantnulls Wife) The One And Only TLW. (President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.) about 12 years ago

David, yes the point system has its place and certainly does lend itself to the competitive streak that runs in us all. However, with that said, gaming the system is not attractive in anyone and in my opinion those that do should suffer the consequences of having points removed. Writing a post that is just the legal limit for 200 points or making cursory comments for 25 points is something that we all see and take note of.

Points are good as long as those trying to gain points go about it with integrity.

Posted by Gena Riede, Real Estate Broker - Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699 (Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792) about 12 years ago

You can give yours back, then , Scott. And have a free water shooter on me.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Correct...Neal.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Indeed it is, DDR, and a reflection of the level of participation with your peers.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Well put, Sally and David. Thanks.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I never said the web crawlers seek out and tag points, Jay and Francy, and the concept is idiotic. The points are a healthy indication of one's participation, as I have mentioned. A proliferation of material helps, and tagged accordingly assists the crawlers purpose in identifying data. Would you think, perhaps, that the word "TAGS" at the top of your your blog page with all of those itty bitty entries below it might have some connection with the term "meta tag" (duh) ? By gosh, who would have ever thought of such a thing ?

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Hope you find a nice hat, Lovely Wife, and wear it to the next Active Rain event so we can recognize you.

:-)

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Correct, Gena. Good character is demonstrated through interacting with the system honorably. Thank you for your comment.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Some use the points as a fun way to encourage others to participate, others from a competitive aspect.  Its all good !

Posted by Bill Gillhespy, Fort Myers Beach Realtor, Fort Myers Beach Agent - Homes & Condos (16 Sunview Blvd) about 12 years ago

"The points are a healthy indication of one's participation, as I have mentioned"

Not necessarily. Take my case for example. I have 115,000 thousand points. Not a ton, but a fairly healthy amount (enough to place #2 for Phoenix - a large market). And I've posted all of four blog posts here since last August. Would you say I'm an active participant? I don't think I am.

Tony Marriott hasn't posted a blog here since Sept 2007 and he has 295,000 points #8 *nationally* for agents.

Lots of points could mean someone invited a lot of people, or has been around for awhile. Neither of which pertain to their ability to function as a real estate agent (broker, lender, whatever). 

I've got no problem with points, they are what they are. If they motivate some, great. Personally, I'm motivated to blog by what I can learn, what I can share, the phone ringing, and commission checks. I don't need points for motivation. That doesn't make me better (or worse) than anyone who does need them, just different.

Posted by Jay Thompson (Zillow) about 12 years ago

Thanks, Bill. It is fun. Thanks for your comment.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Perhaps I should have included the comment, " ...and earlier participation as well", Jay.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Points dont mean anything this site is great for networking but ultimately has no signifigance on our level of professionalism or level of service. Active Rain is great but if your relying on this site for business then your dreaming and you need to hit the streets and get your pipeline full.

Posted by Adrian Alvarado, Inland Empire Real Estate (MGR Real Estate Inc.) about 12 years ago

Your wrong, Adrian. Points indicate a level of blogging participation to the greater real estate community at-large represented in Active Rain. Did you actually infer that "...it has no significance on our level of professionalism" ?  Do you think that anybody with any sense that interacts responsibly here would buy that ? And yeah, that comment about relying on business; I've gotten dozens of great referrals from Active Rain.  You don't consider that good business ? I think maybe your pipelines stopped up, Adrian, and you need a plumber.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Thanks for all of the great comments so far. Keep them coming ! This is the blog post that won't go away and allows our members to display their true colors. You might actually need an umbrella in the Rain this time, and galoshes, too. :-) -David-

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I just read a comment about agents with lots of points but few listings or sales. Had not thought about that before.  Of course, to know that you need to know the agent involved or have access to their MLS info etc because you would not learn that from the Rain itself.  The point I have is why should there not also be points for listings, for sales, for referrals and other business related activities as well as the business of networking and sharing?  This may provide a better service to AR members and the public alike.

Posted by Thomas Bradley about 12 years ago

Indeed, those opportunities would provide additional great services for Active Rain, Thomas. However, it would be tough to make Active Rain any better. Active Rain is magnificent. The greatest real estate professionals in the world are gathered here to share their collective wisdom. It's a daily classroom, a center of discovery, and a copious source of informal and, in addition, profound scholarly knowledge for us. Many thanks for you comment.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

The points system is a great way to engage the user community. The reward for participation is better placement in your area and region. Image the power of a user base of self-labeled "addicts" in your business. Its a clear win-win.

Posted by IMNJ - Internet Marketing Specialist (Internet Marketing NJ) about 12 years ago

Great to hear from you, Monmouth, NJ, and excellent comment. Categorically, and specifically, such a user base would serve the community well and provide an outstanding online referral opportunity. Many thanks. Hope we can explore that idea, encourage the concept, and prolong the health of our services for our repective communitites, and nationally in full view of our extraordinary networking capabilities.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

I'm new to AR and I wanted to start my blog, but I was actually sidetracked by the point system.  Frankly, I had no idea why I got 575 for starters and how I could score more.  Thank you for reiterating the positive about points system!  I'll get on board and work on this.  Thanks again!

Posted by Rose Linda about 12 years ago

I come here for knowledge, information. interaction about business...I do it almost daily and have learned much...My points for comments and blog posts make me feel I'm also helping others in the same way...Great post and great comments by everyone.

Posted by Ernie Steele, Call me, let's get started!!! 717-273-3774 (Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Homesale Realty) about 12 years ago

It's great to have you here, Rose, and many thanks for taking a second to comment. The system will benefit you greatly, challenge you skills as a real estate professional and help define your level of interaction within the community, past and present.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Hi Ernie. The system really benefits you in the best ways. It's great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

if it wasn't for the points no one would bother much writing.

Hampton NH Real Estate   

Posted by Patricia Aulson, Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes (BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate ) about 12 years ago

Thank you, Patricia, for your comment. Hope your having a fine day in beautiful New Hampshire.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

Anymore....thought it might be time to wake up the blog.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 12 years ago

David I feel the point system is a great incentive to all members for many reasons.  The one I particularly like is the relationships that you build by writing blogs, commenting on blogs and respondinig to comments made on your own.

There is a wealth of knowledge here on ActiveRain and I learn something every day here.

It's not a contest, but there is a big pay off at the end of the day.

Posted by Roger D. Mucci, Lets shake things up at your home today! (Shaken...with a Twist 216.633.2092) about 10 years ago

Wow, talk about points!  My comment is #219!!!  I don't think I have ever seen that many (in my three months or so as a member...fledging that I am).  The points do motivate me..but not for the joy of just getting points.  It helps me to see my ranking in my area and state.  THAT is my interest. 

I want to build my presense, my brand, my voice and, of course, my business.  Knowing I am climbing the ranks and being heard (listened to) keeps me focused and motivated.

Posted by Deborah "Dee Dee" Garvin, C2 Financial (C2 Financial) about 10 years ago

Very well said...it is a way to track authentic interaction, and that is the entire "point" of it all.

Posted by Li Read, Caring expertise...knowledge for you! (Sea to Sky Premier Properties (Salt Spring)) about 10 years ago

Never hurts to have a little point system. Competition keeps us on our toes and in check. It was mainly driven by points for me as I love competing with myself, but after about 500K points, it's not so much anymore. The next competitor will take a while to come near me, I'm in no desire to chase the one before me. So, it's not about points anymore.

Once you're here long enough, things do become different. Today, I have a whole new light in blogging and commenting.

Posted by Loreena and Michael Yeo, Real Estate Agents (3:16 team REALTY ~ Locally-owned Prosper TX Real Estate Co.) about 10 years ago

We play on the same team, Roger. Nice to hear from you.

I've really enjoyed the time I've been here, Deborah. It's an education and a place to make friends, for life, too. Hope your having a fine day. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Thank you, Li. Lot's of great things happen here. It's a window to the world of real estate in all of it's bravura, it's virtuosity, and even a smattering of imperfection here and there. I'm happy to here from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

Keep racking em' up, Loreena. Stay on top. Points demonstrate that you've poured some sweat into your game.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

Points show someones level of participation and interaction.  Aren't we all in a people business?  Don't we want people that we can communicate with to be our partners?  The point system may not be perfect, but it has its purpose.

Posted by Kyle Jan, Phoenix AZ Homes for Sale about 10 years ago

I think the points system is a great way to see which agents are interactive with the community. I like to see the points so that I can get a higher ranking, I am now trying to make it part of my marketing plan.  Better exposure= more business. 

Posted by Lesley Wagstaff, For Real Estate and Mortgages (Re/Max Results Realty in Vancouver, BC) about 10 years ago

Good thoughts, Kyle. It is a people business and the ability to communicate in the terminology of the profession should make perfect sense to anyone wanting to move up.

We're on the same page, Lesley.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

By themselves the points don't mean a thing, it's comparing your own points to others that matters! What I like about this system is that there is a cap on the number of daily and weekly points you can get. It's both attainable and also gives us actual workers an edge against those who have the ability to just sit at a computer all day long commenting for points. It's also an encouragement and frankly I just like to watch them grow!

Oh we who are so easily pleased HA!

:)

Posted by Jody Keating, Broker/MM/Realtor, Bryan / College Station, TX (Jody Keating Connective Realty,LLC, Bryan/College Station,TX) about 10 years ago

Certainly points serve a purpose.  But, she can always check what's being posted by members to see how they got the points and decide who she wants to work with....

Posted by Jill Schmidt about 10 years ago

The point system is like everything else in life ... those who work the hardest are at the top!

Posted by Pippa Mac, The Woodlands TX Real Estate (Chevaux Group Realtor, The Woodlands and Spring) about 10 years ago

I wonder if you substituted the word "money" for "points" if everyone would feel the same way about people who have more money.  They really should but for some reason people don't associate such high qualities with rich people as they do for people who have a lot of ActiveRain points.

Posted by Tim Maitski, Truth, Excellence and a Good Deal (Atlanta Communities Real Estate Brokerage) about 10 years ago
I've always thought of the points system as a good sorting ground. The people with a ton of points usually have a whole lot more to teach. Seems like a great system to me. The points you've made about the points encouraging people to be social is spot on as well!
Posted by Nathan Tutas, Your Central Florida Real Estate Expert (Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.) about 10 years ago

David, I agree the point system is a very necessary part of the system.

Even if someone is using the point system to motivate themselves to blog that is a win win. The blogging will give them exposure which is what it is all about.

Posted by Ted Tyndall, I will help You find the Home YOU want to Buy (Davidson Realty Inc.) about 10 years ago

I will admit I have not read through all 230+ comments... You certainly earned a lot of points on this Feature!

Points for me are encouraging all of the activities that do good for your business.  Sometimes I check my points and look at all the articles I've read and commented on.  Wow, that is a lot of knowledge gained.  Blogging is good for google searches. 

We are being tricked into running better businesses-Can you believe we fell for it under the guise of accumulating points?  :)

Jen Wing

Posted by Jen Wing, Field Inspections Since 2007 (JPW Field Inspections) about 10 years ago

Like so many others here, I believe points help to motivate us.  It's not the primary reason I use this venue, it must makes it more fun.

Posted by Tammie White, Broker, Franklin TN Homes for Sale (Franklin Homes Realty LLC) about 10 years ago

It's nice that some are easy to please, Jody. I'd prefer Taco Bell to a bon vivant's cantina.

The posts serve as an index of an agents progress in a social/educational forum, Jill.

That's right, Pippa. Many new members work very hard and demonstrate their enthusiasm in the forums they participate in.

Money has it's privileges and status, as well Tim. However, the point system has a different underlying psychology and is a healthy indicator that affirms, supports and embodies regional presence and ranking.

Thank you, Nathan. Lot's of great friends have been made because of a competitive spirit which exists that benefits everyone.

Blogging is a way of life for millions now, Ted. Sharing thoughts on a common interest improves skill and backs up confidence.

It's a slight-of-hand trick I'm glad I fell for, Jen.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

I agree, Tammie. Many thanks to you, and everyone, for the great opinions and comments.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

I like the points!  It keeps me going, and helps me focus on moving upward.  Have a Great Week!

Posted by John Howard, GRI, Mountain Home, Arkansas 870-404-3614 (Century 21 LeMac Realty) about 10 years ago

I think the point system is important to active rain.  Ranking agents based upon their "production" is what we do as an industry, no?

Posted by Lori Liveston (Virtual Homes, Real Estate) about 10 years ago

Points are like shoes. Don't need a bunch of them, but they're nice to have. :)

 

Posted by Candice A. Donofrio, 928-201-4BHC (4242) call/text (Next Wave RE Investments LLC Bullhead City AZ Commercial RE Broker) about 10 years ago

Looks like you posted this a long time ago. The point system is important in that it compels AR members to read aothe rposts which, in most cases, forces agents to become more educated on the real estate market. This is a good thing.

Posted by Melissa Zavala, Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County (Broadpoint Properties) about 10 years ago

The whole thing seems like a bunch of fuss over little or nothing. Points, Really.

Posted by Randy Dodd, ePro, GRI, TAHS (Rosanna's Realty) about 10 years ago

Thank you, Howard. I like it, too.

It really is important, Lori. So is everybody on this page.

Points are like scoring at chess, Candice. The strongest players have the most points.

It is a good thing, Melissa. I'm unadulterated when it comes to a shameless attempt to revive the dead with an old subject.

Whose fussing, Randy ? Not me. No complaining here. Ask the girls. I'm a nice guy. Some of them like my hair, too. Ask the girls in British Colombia.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

The system actually helps some apprehensive bloggers to take the plunge to get the points...it's like life...you need to get out of the comfort zone to grow!  What's wrong with having a reward for taking the chance? 

Posted by Donna Rattee, Turning Dreams Into Reality (Coco, Early & Associates) about 10 years ago

David:

I have found the point system here to be a great motivator.  I love a challenge and have done my best to rise to it at Active Rain.

Points are, of course, not everything.  But, I think they are a gage of ones motivation and involvement.  It also encourages people here to engage in this community.  They are actually a bit of genius, in my opinion.

 

Posted by Claudette Millette, Buyer, Broker - Metrowest Mass (The Buyers' Counsel) about 10 years ago

David - good post...the point systems is an incentive for reading posts and learning from your peers on just about every topic in real estate. If the points could be redeemed for money, every Realtor would live on Active Rain.

Posted by Stephen P. Panczak, Sr, MBA, Realtor, Property Mgm't, LCAM about 10 years ago

There is something in the Psyche that likes getting something when effort is expended. The why of it is a good question......however, answered or unanswered, it works. In my view, when one looks at what the points represent, it sure says a lot about the point maker. Having to post, comment and stay the course requires first class commitment. Isn't that a main stay of any participator of Real Estate ?

Thank you David.......most interesting post....

Posted by Richie Alan Naggar, agent & author (people first...then business Ran Right Realty ) about 10 years ago

The points are fun.  So often we put out maximum effort, especially in real estate, and see very little result.  At least with the points, I can tell that I did something today.

And, yes, the points do help make AR sticky...isn't that what every site is aiming for?  Maybe I need to figure out how get visitors to my site to earn points...

Posted by Jenna Dixon, Empowers You With a Better Real Estate Experience (DRA Homes | Cobb County Real Estate ) about 10 years ago

Interesting...just the sheer numbers of comments here tell us something about how points seem to motivate us....hmmm...

Posted by Lori Churchill Cofer, Realtor - 509-330-0086 - Pullman, WA (Beasley Realty) about 10 years ago

What ever floats your boat. I enjoying reading some of the comments. Go San Diego Padres.

Posted by Lorraine or Loretta Kratz, Certified Negotiation Consultants (Crescent Moon Realty, Inc. & Land N Sea Auctions.) about 10 years ago

I agree. I also think that the points shows the level of commitment & input = output on the web for buyers, sellers or whoever your readers might be. 

Posted by Lyn Sims, Schaumburg Real Estate (RE/MAX Suburban) about 10 years ago

Nice rewards, too, Donna, for improving the quality of life as a real estate agent.

That's for sure, Claudette. The genius is in the collective body of wisdom, and the occasional lack of it.

We could call it Jeoparain, Stephen, with valuable cash and prizes.

Thanks, Ritchie. I hope you continue to rack up points in ActiveRain long after you quit blogging.

The point system is fun, Jenna. Just like a slice of pecan pie with vanilla ice cream on top. Your visitors get points when they've discovered that they've been rewarded by the wisdom of a competent professional. Not just a lazy stuffed shirt who talks the talk.

Exactly, Lori. You'd think I've discovered the fountain of youth with all of my ActiveRain friends in here. Maybe I should sell a house today ?

Whatever sinks your raft, Lorraine/Loretta, as long as your net worth survives.

That makes sense, Lyn. I might just have to go out and sell a house now, or a city.

 

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

Did this really start in 2008? I guess even a 2-year old post can still ring true....so that shows that points are still working as a system, and somewhere I saw Lenn say they are "fun" and that's true, they are.

Posted by Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner, Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395 (Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395) about 10 years ago

Granted I have a lot of points, but with many others, I, in no way, feel it is an indicator as to how much someone knows. Many people blog and comment just to fish for points, and know nothing. While others of us work hard at obtaining our readership and consistancy.

Posted by Donna Harris, Realtor,Mediator,Ombudsman,Property Tax Arbitrator (Donna Homes, powered by JPAR - TexasRealEstateMediationServices.com) about 10 years ago

It's a timeless subject, Karen.

As long as it's not an indicator of how much you've forgotten, Donna.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

David,

i am late to comment, but I just want to say that I was glad to read it. I am so tired of that BS when agents say they do not care about points, and all that garbage.

You go and check their blogs and see their comments, and they care.

It is a great organizer. It pushed us to post, and comment, it made us compete

I am absolutely sure that without points the AR system most probably would not be anywhere near where they are.

That content came from people who were doing their limit in commenitng and blogging, not by those, who come sporadically and leave again for months.

Thanks

Posted by Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL, Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices (Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408) about 10 years ago

Never too late, Jon. I like being here everyday. It's part of the profession.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

Although I opened an AR account a couple years ago I didn't do anything with it until recently. I'm loving it and having a blast blogging as well as learning many things.

My points are few now but give me time!

Posted by Shar Sitter, Home Staging and Redesign Minneapolis/ St. Paul, M (Rooms With Style) about 10 years ago

The Points are great, It gives you a reason to log in every day, but the best reward is the information you can obtain at no cost from seasoned real estate veterans! I am 33 and have owned my own company for 3 years now and often my "experience" isn't that of other agents. Glad that I have all of you to fall back on!

Posted by Damon Zeller (GREEN SIGN REALTY) about 10 years ago

Shar, you'll profit from ActiveRain and ActiveRain gains by your presence.

There are some "sages" of the profession here that can give you a calculated, polished and fine-tuned perspective, Damon.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

As an admitted point junkie, I say points  DO MATTER ! I've used them in Listing Presentations to CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATE(w/ proof) who's more tech savy !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Michael J. Perry, Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist (KW Elite ) about 10 years ago

Agreed, Michael. Very good thoughts and most welcome here. From the looks of things, it's safe to say that your in the majortiy and among good company, as well.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

While I really love the point system, I've got to admit that even without them, I would still read countless blogs and comment on them. I learn so much from the AR community. TY

Posted by Nina Gail Betancourt, Westchester County NY (North Country Sotheby's International Realty) about 10 years ago

Me too, NinaGail. Great to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) about 10 years ago

David ~> It would be very interesting to see how many people who commented on this blog from May of 2008 are still here blogging, sharing and enjoying the Active Rain community. Points are a way of promoting you are still in it!!

Posted by Karen Baker, Professional Help with Rapid Responses... (Sunset Beach and Beyond Realty) over 7 years ago

I can say I have truly benefitted from reading posts and appreciate agents who share their knowledge.

Posted by Sandy Williams (eXp Realty, sandy@sandywilliams.com) over 7 years ago

Points are always important.  They are the best measure of your participation on this site we all share together.  

Posted by Kevin Mackessy, Dedicated. Qualified. Local. (Blue Olive Properties, LLC) over 7 years ago

It's a safe assumption that some are no longer with us (i.e.;#261), Frank, Karen. Thanks for your input.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

Nice to hear from you, Sandy.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

Well said, Kevin.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

David:

I love the point system.  It is what has kept me blogging for nearly two years.  I have set my goal to reach 500,000 points by the end of the year. 

Posted by Evelyn Kennedy, Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA (Alain Pinel Realtors) over 7 years ago

The point system is always ripe for a good debate.  I personally like it because it makes me want to post good material and to interact with other rainers.

Posted by Joan Whitebook, Consumer Focused Real Estate Services (BHG The Masiello Group) over 7 years ago
This is and interesting and very old debate. I just looked at my points and had received 1k for logging in for the first time--not sure of they meant the first time today?
Posted by Melissa Zavala, Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County (Broadpoint Properties) over 7 years ago

Nice to hear from you, Evelyn. Keep up the good work.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

I could use the word attitude instead of qualifications, Cindy, but for this example we'll stick to your inquiry.

How about the examination of your profile for an appetizer ?

You serve military families in your region and you  earned your Virginia Brokers license (180 hours of real estate education plus national and state exams) and your a certified residential specialist.

What else do I need to know ? You've got great qualifications.

Lots of points mean lots of interaction and participation in ActiveRain. That equates to healthy interaction with dedicated real estate professionals.

It's true that qualifications may not be the most desirable for all, but I like to know that I'm in good company and can rely on the information being shared or discussed among members who are committed to the network.

Agents qualifications are revealed in their profile and I've amended the entry to reflect that fact.

Thanks for your comment.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

I like it, too, Joan. Thanks for your thoughts.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

Thanks for chiming in, Melissa.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

David - I think the early success of Active Rain could be fully attributed to their well designed point system. not that I agree with it 100%, but saying it is useless is not understanding the nature of the beast.

Good post

Posted by Jon Zolsky, your Daytona Condo Agent (FunCoast Realty 386-405-4408) over 7 years ago

Good morning David - WOW! I don't think I've ever seen so many comments in only 24 hours! Clearnly a provocative post. Points are motivational, and my clients love to know that I'm #1 in Union County!

Posted by Wayne and Jean Marie Zuhl, The Last Names You'll Ever Need in Real Estate (Samsel & Associates) over 7 years ago

The spirit of competition is in the system, Jon. Thanks for the comment.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

Good points, Wayne and Jean :-)

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

John Nash could have been a great ActiveRain member, Valerie.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

Points system keeps up the competition. Thank you for sharing

Posted by Rhonda Duffy, #1 Retail Listing Agent in the U.S. (Duffy Realty of Atlanta & Rainmaker Realty) over 7 years ago

love and marriage, horse and carriage, points and passion...that's all I know...thank you

Posted by Richie Alan Naggar, agent & author (people first...then business Ran Right Realty ) over 7 years ago

Wayne and Jean, this post is from 2008. If you put a post into draft and then reactivate it, it appears as newly posted. I suppose it's one way to recycle your content, even if it's not for new points.  

Posted by Leslie Ebersole, I help brokers build businesses they love. (Swanepoel T3 Group) over 7 years ago

Thanks Rhonda. Nice to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

It's the all-American way, Richie.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

FYI Ms.Ebersole, reposting from the draft penalizes 225 points from your score. Not a problem. Read it again. I've made the appropriate disclaimer for you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

If it were not for the point system most everyone would leave IMHO

Posted by Charles Stallions Property Manager, Pensacola, Pace & Gulf Breeze Property Management (Charles Stallions Real Estate Services) over 7 years ago

Ya think, Charles ?

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) over 7 years ago

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