David Saks: Why I Never Use Facebook, MySpace or Twitter ....Never Have ....Never Will...Ever !

David Saks - Real Estate Broker - The Real Estate Mart of Tennessee, Inc. - 4040 North Watkins-Suite #4 - Memphis, Tennessee 38127 - Phone (901) 357-4663

Why I Never Use Facebook, MySpace or Twitter ....Never Have ....Never Will...Ever !


Facebook is a dangerously out-of-control social networking environment full of voyeurs, cretins and lurkers looking for indecent relations. It includes many less-than-savvy commerce-concerned users trying to get rankings in Bing, Google or other search engines through the application of fast meta tag recognition, which by any other name is a short cut and lazy dogs way out of some well-defined hard work and effort. I'd absolutely, positively recommend that anyone with common sense avoid some social networks like the plague. A Facebook icon on any page is recognition that there's the potential for another schmoe to lurk in the house. I want the "F" icon, Floogle, Schmoogle, Google, or any other blog or social networking icon that I don't subscribe to off my page. When I see that "F" icon on a blog page it looks like an "F" on an exam paper.

Isn't that the grade that the Harvard student who started it got from his peers ?

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Comment balloon 81 commentsDavid Saks • October 05 2011 01:33AM


You must have had some bad experiences.

Posted by Jane & Jeff Daley, PhD, Scottsdale Real Estate Arizona (Luxury Valley Homes Scottsdale) almost 9 years ago

I recall the morning I first saw the FB, Tweet, etc. links at the top of the page, right on the title line.  I wrote a post complaining about it which promptly put me in the dog house with ActiveRain.

I find Twitter, Facebook and all of that ilk of "connect with" syndrome simply a waste of time.  So, I'm connected with a mortgage broker in Iowa or a real estate agent in Montana or a mattress salesman in Florida.  SO WHAT????

A total waste of time. 


Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) almost 9 years ago

Never had one bad experience, Jane, Jeff, because I knew what those networking platforms were about the day they came online, erected a shield and innoculated myself from the viruses they contain. They mean nothing to me, other than the disruption of fair and equitable commerce, and a place to jilt your boyfriend or bride.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

....and money, Lynn.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Ditto Lenn * EXCEPT my "RETIRED" younger sister has started a Family Group on Fb and I have joined it and LOOK when I get notifications....I agree it is a waste of my time and I prefer the Google+ platform

Posted by Wallace S. Gibson, CPM, LandlordWhisperer (Gibson Management Group, Ltd.) almost 9 years ago

David, thanks for sharing your story, I appreciate it! Have an awesome day in real estate!

Posted by Michael L. Brownstead, ABR, GRI, MRP, SRS, 1SG US Army (Ret.) (Keller Williams Realty) almost 9 years ago

I use them, but don't abuse them - they can totally be vaccums for some people who have a lot of time; most of the time I upload my blog via another site, and actually spend very little time on any one site.

Posted by Carol Zingone, Global Realtor in Jax Beach, FL - ABR, CRS, CIPS (Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Florida Network Realty) almost 9 years ago

There may be some redemptive measure of good in that type of application, Wallace. However, not in cookie-cutter fashion.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Thanks for your comment, Michael. Have a nice weekend.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Appreciate your thoughts, Carol. I'd be more concerned about being abused by these networks rather than abusing them.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Does anyone else see the irony in using a social networking site (Active Rain) to complain about social networking sites?

Posted by John Juarez, ePRO, SRES, GRI, PMN (The Medford Real Estate Team) almost 9 years ago

I used to feel the same way, but then a cousin I hadn't seen in 30 years contacted me and advised me to add myself to FB.  I now am connected and "see" my cousins and their children from across the US.  And my recently divorced brother also has connected with them and it's helpful for him through a difficult time.  So while I agree with you in some way, there are other benefits not mentioned here.

Posted by Jan Green, HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN (Value Added Service, 602-620-2699) almost 9 years ago

I love Facebook. Like Jan, it has increased my contact with all my cousins and family in Europe who I haven't seen in years. I now get regular updates and photos of their kids and also get to wish them on their birthdays. The world is full of cretins, voyeurs and lurkers, but that doesn't mean I'm going to lock myself in my bedroom and not go outside.

Posted by Malcolm Johnston, Trenton Real Estate (Century 21 Lanthorn Real Estate LTD., Trenton, Ontario) almost 9 years ago

David, everything out there and I mean everything has a use. The question is ...how do you use it.

Some for personal reasons, some for business and some just for fun.

We will stand by your decision not to.

Enjoy the day

Posted by Don MacLean, Realtor-Homes for Sale- Easton Mass (New England Real Estate Center Inc.) almost 9 years ago

Like anything - they could be good or bad -- it depends on the person using them, and how they (ab)use them.  All those "games" that devour time are especially worthless.

Posted by Steven Cook (No Longer Processing Mortgages.) almost 9 years ago

I use facebook to keep up with people I would have otherwise lost touch with. I do post real estate blogs, but never more than 2-3 a week.

Posted by Doug Rogers, Your Alexandria Louisiana Agent (Bayou Properties) almost 9 years ago

John, ActiveRain is more like business networking and not crammed with anons, cyber bullies and sexual predators.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Jan, privacy is a major part of the issue in juxtaposition with moral responsibility.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Malcolm, in addition to your family updates, you probably get updates from every unimaginable and inhospitable kind of spam that spawns from Disgracebook. That progam might bring the fold a little closer, but the distance traveled is never too far from the flock, so I'd aspire to be on the farsighted side, stay away from it, and seek original and independant resources to network by. Nuclear power was thought to be great for the citizens of Chernobyl. Subprime believed to be great for those less fortunate....both melted down and wrecked havoc on society, destroyed businesses, banks, communities, families and some aspect of civilization that was vital to the mechanics of productive and responsible lifestyle. Jim Jones was thought to be a great evangelist and hundreds ascribed to his way of thought, and hundreds died. The same can be said for post 1928 Germany. What's popular can be poison. Beware.

Cookie-cutter applications like Facebook are utilitarian, multipurpose, diffuse and open waters.

ActiveRain is an outstanding networking platform that maintains a unique identity through focus on specializations that are characteristic of, and synonymous with, the real estate profession, the immediate community that subscribes to this profession, and it's needs. It's coherent and there is nothing substitutable in it's design. 

By all means enjoy the view and leave the confines of home and see the world beyond. Franz Kafka, the writer, once said, a hundred years ago, that "one day you'll never have to leave your room because the world will come to you." He was right.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Agreed, Don. I suppose by that definition an example would be a gun in the hand of a bank robber or gun in the hand of a marksman at the olympics. One gets a medal, the other the hoosegow.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

No argument, Steven. Every waking moment is precious time. An occasional "game" of chess is ok as long as the other guy doesn't take three hours to make a move :-)

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Thanks for your comment, Doug. Hardly a week passes that I don't hear some agent tell me that they've been slammed with Facebook spam. It came to my attention recently that Facebook also employs a mail bot that will activate an auto response to your inbox everytime you log in to the program. Not good ! That may be by default, or perhaps an option that might be overriden through a preference task. In any event, if something like that occurred in any program I subscribed to I'd unsubscribe and delete it without blinking an eye. Nice to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

I gotta agree.

Friends tell me how it helps their business and I ask "How much time does it take"?

I am usually on the wave of new things, I deleted my Facebook account a while ago. Hasn't hurt me at all.

As far as friends, just give me the real ones, ones I don't have to LOL with if were sharing a joke.

Posted by Paul Lesieur (203kloanmn) almost 9 years ago

Count me among them, Paul. Glad to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

David - I couldn't agree more.  I've never tweeted and last year - EVER!!!   Last year, I cancelled my FB acct after I somehow picked up two stalkers (one male and one female) both of who gave me the total creeps.  I will never become a FB or tweeting addict - EVER!!!  My business will just have to go on without all that crap. 

Posted by Donne Knudsen, CalState Realty Services (Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA) almost 9 years ago

Facebook is a great tool if used properly...yes, some may have bad experiences.  But, overall you cannot deny the fact that it can be a great source of networking and lead generating. 

I do agree with the notion that "friending" a mortgage broker half way across America would probably not really help anyone and is a waste of time.

Posted by Ryan Jennings, "Buy With Confidence...Sell With Trust" (Keller Williams Realty-Wellington) almost 9 years ago

Donne, you're very, very wise and a woman I'd look up to for good advice. You're the kind of person I'd want on my team.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Ryan, I absolutely deny the fact that it's a great source of networking. There's nothing great about it. Facebook is a cheesey, chintzy, sleazy, tinny punks forum characteristic of a 1989 type 9600 baud-style cookie-cutters bulletin board that lacks any measure of originality.

 LOL omg bion im brd bsf bwl

But for the sake of your Facebook cheerleading Ryan this was for you.


Lot's of laughs, believe it or not oh my god, I'm bored but seriously folks I'm bursting with laughter !

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

It's a personal choice. To each his own. No one makes anyone sign up for these sites, and I got a kick out of John Juarez's comment about complaining about social networking on a social networking site like AR.

Posted by Jon Quist, Tucson's BUYERS ONLY Realtor since 1996 (REALTY EXECUTIVES ARIZONA TERRITORY) almost 9 years ago

Jon, read a little further down the log and you'll see my reply to John.

It kind of goes like this:

 "John, ActiveRain is more like business networking and not crammed with anons, cyber bullies and sexual predators."

ActiveRain states clearly on it's "About" page that:

"ActiveRain is a Seattle, WA technology + media company that operates the largest and most active social network in the real estate space."

ActiveRain doesn't include or allow forums for Russian bride searches and transgendered candlelight bowling.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

To each his own, you certainly made your position clear.

Posted by MichelleCherie Carr Crowe Just Call...408-252-8900, Family Helping Families Buy & Sell Homes 40+ Years (Get Results Team...Just Call (408) 252-8900! . DRE #00901962 . Licensed to Sell since 1985 . Altas Realty) almost 9 years ago

Hi David,

I wish you were a little stronger, and more clear about your opinion.

Are you advocating for all of us to have a Facebook page?


Posted by Phil Leng, Phil Leng - Retired (Retired) almost 9 years ago

No. Just you, Phil. Somehow or other your captivating smile says in heraldic, eloquent fashion that "Facebook is not for everybody" and has a redemptive measure of good. Maybe there's a forum for shoelace starching and pressing on Facebook that can enrich my life.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

It glows in the dark, too, Michelle.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Great post David! I joined the FB, Twitter bandwagon earlier this year and I hate them both with a passion!  It's utter nonsense.  As it stands, I use my FB page to post my blogs, which automatically goes to twitter.  Other than that, I do not use them at all.  Utter nonsense I tell you!  

Posted by Lisa Dunham, Associate Broker, Alexandria Virginia Real Estate almost 9 years ago

In a lot of ways I agree with you.  I very rarely get on either of these sites, but do have accounts with both. Mainly, my blogs go on there and that's about it.  I will post stuff about my family on Facebook when something significant happens, but other than that, I just don't have the time to hang out there much.

As for Twitter...I still don't get it.  I wish I did, but I don't.  Again, I post my blogs there.

Posted by Brenda Mullen, Your San Antonio TX Real Estate Agent!! (RE/MAX Access) almost 9 years ago



  What about using social media sites with the objective of gaining some ground in the SEO world namely to get more google juice and create more links to your main RE sites? I would be curious to get your thoughts on this-looking forward to hearing your perspective.





Posted by Ben Ganje + Partners, Minneapolis Market Leader (Lakes Sotheby's International Realty) almost 9 years ago

Hi David--I feel like FB can be a useful business tool if used properly.  My vote is still out on the whole social media thing. So much time, so much useless information to shift through.  I totally don't get Twitter either and now there is Google + to contend with. 

Posted by Janet Jones, Home Staging, Interior Redesign Kihei, Maui, Hawaii (Just Your Style Interiors, LLC) almost 9 years ago

Every situation has bad experiences. Even Direct Mail sometimes gets thrown away, people drop the phone on you, people mark your email as spam. Every Marketing technique has its downside and Facebook isn't excluded but the idea is to leverage every method in the book. I do respect your opinion but everything has a downside.

Posted by Gabrielle Jeans, Real Estate Web Solution, Real Estate Trainer and Coach (WebTech Dezine, Gabrielle Jeans Real Estate Coach) almost 9 years ago

They're useless platforms, Lisa, for serious commerce. Facebook is diffuse and incandescent cyber-sleaze at it's best with a carnival atmosphere to match.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

I'd up the frequency of participation on those sites to never, Brenda.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

You know, Ben, there's an old saying and it goes like this :

"You get what you pay for."

Facebook uses SEO to drive traffic back to Facebook. You don't actually believe that Facebook wants anyone that's trapped in their roach motel to escape do you ?

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

David - we all make choices and that's fine, but to pretty much state for the record that anyone who chooses to participate in the social space (while using a social network for the rant) is an idiot, lurker or somehow defective is an insult to quite a few people who do sucessfully use it for business as well as personal enrichment.

Tools are just that - tools, and if you choose not to use a tool or don't see a value in it, it doesn't mean that value is not there. Usually, it simply means you haven't figured out a way of using the tool that makes sense for your business or life, and nothing more.  

Wonder why this was recommended reading though.

Posted by Inna Hardison, Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group (ha media group) almost 9 years ago

Reduce everything to it's lowest common denominator, Janet, and stick with it. Subscribing to all that garbage creates worlds on collision course.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

As long as the downside doesn't become quicksand I'm ok with it, Dezine.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Idiot ? Defective ? Those are your words, Inna. My adjectives were cheesey, chintzy, sleazy, tinny punks forums.

Tools ? If you smash your thumb with a hammer is that a good tool for you to work with, or was it just an accident ?

I understand the complexities of these programs and know what works best. You've chosen your bandwagon and if you want to wear the uniform with the "F" on it, and play in that band, it's your choice. I choose not to listen to that music. It's off-key.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Ok, David - my apologies, but in retrospect, my words were milder. I use the tools you frown upon with moderate success for my business, and have yet to run into anything cheesy, chintzy, sleazy or a punk for that matter - but I choose the company I keep on those forums as much as I do on this one.  I think you sound a bit too pissed off at something you are downgrading as irrelevant not just for your business but for everyone's.  If it's irrelevant to you indeed, not sure why this post even exists, other than for you to puff your own ego as somehow superior to those of us who find value in those tools.

I find your tone towards people on those platforms insulting, at the very least.

Posted by Inna Hardison, Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group (ha media group) almost 9 years ago

Sounds like your feathers are getting ruffled, Inna. Consistency and cohesion are important to me when addressing the needs of commerce. Diffusion is a stumbling block and prevents you from being able to act and think independently. 

Insult ? Your last remark was a bit unbecoming of a member of the real estate profession. Take your steam elsewhere.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

David - I am not a member of the real estate profession, I am a marketing professonal. Ironic that you find my tone unbecoming given the tone of the entirety of your post and all the comments.

Posted by Inna Hardison, Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group (ha media group) almost 9 years ago

Hallelujah !

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

David, I have to disagree with your statement, "A Facebook icon on any page is recognition that there's just another schmoe in the house."

How would you know its value if you've never used it?

I'm not sure what meta tags have to do with Facebook, either.

The importance of having a loan officer in Maryland or a real estate agent in Florida? To me, priceless. This is my referral network. Facebook is a tool to find them, but you can take it one or several steps further and Google them, call them, or video chat to find out what they are really like.

Our clients move all over the United States, and I want to place them with professionals that I have talked to before and know how they operate.

By the way, I found a second gig through Facebook. :)

Posted by Lynda White, Admin. Mgr., Keller Williams Realty (Bluegrass Homes & Farms Realty, Agent Know How) almost 9 years ago

Well, I have to admit, Lynda, that there's a smatterring of indignity in the description. Perhaps it should have been more appropriately designated "...the Facebook icon is heraldic bearing of another mish-mash of cookie-cut web pages and a stomping hole for social miscreants."

I know it's value because I've explored it....not used it. Excuse me if I sound like the Vincent Canby of social networking criticism.

I hear complaints from business-savvy acquaintances with alarming frequency who profess, daily, that they routinely see links or suggestions linking pages that have absolutely no relevance within the platform they've assigned, and are grotesquely inappropriate.

If you review the source code of any web page, which is the grammatical constituent of any browser enabled web page, a meta tag is a piece of code inserted into a file or data structure that indicates how something is to be interpreted. Software uses tags of various kinds for various purposes. Meta tags contain data about a webpage. They can be auto-generated by the host or manually inserted into the HTML by the webmaster who establishes more control over the content. Meta tags describe the web page and it's contents. Search engines use "metacrawlers" which are programs that submit search inquiries to all major internet indexes (such as Google, Yahoo, Lycos, etc.) and the metacrawlers create summaries of the results they obtain. These metacrawlers work simultaneously to produce these results across the search engine spectrum. YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE OR ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER THE META CONTENT IN FACEBOOK, or most any of the cookie-cutter social networks ! Subsequently, your content goes where they want it to go.

Social netwoking for commerce is an illusion with many of these programs, and it's at the great expense of sacrificing intellectual assurance and restraint, and the ability to channel your content.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

We have been with Active Rain for several years and this is all we need. Gave up on Twitter and seldom go to FB. Not for me, my time is valuable. Glad to know we aren't the only ones that have concerns with some of these other websites. Now here comes Google +...wonder what this will bring.


Posted by Carl Winters almost 9 years ago

I must say I have enjoyed reading the comments you have received David.  There seems to be some very strong opinions here.  Regardless however, I still very much agree with you!

Posted by Lisa Dunham, Associate Broker, Alexandria Virginia Real Estate almost 9 years ago

ActiveRain is focused, has well defined intent, resolve and character, is business-social, consistent with it's delivery, meets or exceeds the needs of those who participate, gives you control, and, importantly, retains an integrity-minded dais built upon social and moral responsibility.

Friendships born in ActiveRain are made for life and enter into a stream of camaraderie infused with good character in a safe haven. There's no identity crisis here. 

ActiveRain is real estate, Carl, Ceil, and for those who believe in this profession. Those who are the best, brightest and most successful. Those who have exerted themselves by doing mental or physical work for a purpose and out of necessity.

For those who support and believe in the survival of this industry, nothing can, or ever will, surpass it's beauty.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Thank you, Lisa. It's always nice to hear from you. Hope you have a fine week.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Wow!  Hostile much?

Posted by Sheri almost 9 years ago

Great post. I think im gonna share it on facebook:) just kiddin.

Posted by David Laven (Keller Williams Realty Boston Metro) almost 9 years ago

Sheri, I'm well cared for. No complaints. You wouldn't wanna be me, would ya ? I'm only unprofessional with ex-girlfriends. The eligible think that I'm worth a consulting fee, discounts on meals and tax breaks. I really am. And proud of my credit history, too. I'll still have broker's license after Facebook has been long forgotten.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

Add a link, David, and send me a Christmas card. Say hi to the boys at Harvard. Maybe they could use a layman who admired Galbraith and fell in love with his neice one summer day in Harvard Square.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

I think I may be to old to understand the reason or the use of facebook.  However, I do see some family there.

Posted by Elite Home Sales Team, A Tenacious and Skilled Real Estate Team (Elite Home Sales Team OC) almost 9 years ago

#34 haha!  That's what I was thinking, I could barely tell what David's opinion was! -Kasey

Posted by Kasey & John Boles, Boise & Meridian, ID Ada/Canyon/Gem/Boise Counties (Jon Gosche Real Estate, LLC - BoiseMeridianRealEstate.com) almost 9 years ago

I can't believe this post is getting all this attention...yet I saw it, I get now.....David isn't into FB, so what. 

Posted by Glenn Ritchie, Realtor - The OC. (First Team Real Estate) almost 9 years ago

Cool, Mark and Tim. Which side of the family frequents Facebook ? You'll know which side of your family the smarts come from.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

That guy from Boise is such a riot...hardeeharhar.

Those social networking icons attach themsleves to your blog pages like lice on a dog.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

That's right, Glenn. I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it people like me ! Did you decide after you became frustrated with competing in the science fair to become a real estate agent, Glenn ?

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

David - I love the post.  People do not realize that by joining FB and the others they are literally giving away a coujple of hundred dollars to the site owner, who is a weasel (in my opinion) who appears to have been given this programming assigment by two other slick Harvard guys.  He said he was doing it, then he said he didn't have the time, then he launched his own site.  That's my understanding.  However, if they say the site is worth $100b, and it has 800m members, each one is worth about $125.  That's just the tip of the iceberg.  The also provide the IRS/Federal Gov't/private investigators/FBI/CIA/the world, complete insight into your life. 

There is an expression that say you be defined by who you keep as friends.  In this case, it is so true.  In 10 minutes, any investigator can find your friends, even if you don't ever post.  Thereafter, they can basically find out everything about you either by combining your posts and theirs, or by intervewing friends.  It's sick.  However, Americans have always been willing to give up their rights to privacy for nothing.

Beyond that, Facebook is simply AOL rehashed for those who forgot about it or were to young to remember the first popular IM device or 'You've Got Mail'.  It's crap.  To look on there and see people I thought were intelligent involved in games of 'mafia wars'', 'farmville' or other garbage - it's ridiculous.

Any business that can be had on Facebook should be able to be had elsewhere.  My children have been forbidden from having accounts (and I'm pretty lenient as a dad), but they have thanked me for it.  They say that, even by middle school, so many problems have come from it that it is ridiculous.  Why has bullying become popular?  Because people are faceless and easy prey online.  It's easy to destroy someone when you can type anonymously or even just forward rumors.  It's sad.

It will be the downfall of thousands of people's careers, schooling, life, etc.  As a mom in my town once said, could you imagine every girl you grew up with being defined by the worst night they had in their youth?  So true.

The government would probably be involved and against its abuses, but the government is able to use and abuse it for their own benefit as well.  Stay away!

If you need 'friends' on the computer, it's rough.  And, for everyone who says it 'allows them to keep in touch with people they haven't seen in forever,' well, send them and e-mail, or, huh, an actual letter and enclose photos!  Geez, that's a crazy thought.

For business, one has to realize that the average user on FB has an IQ far to the left of the center of the bell curve.

Great post.

Posted by David Farrell, Licensed NY State Real Estate Broker (David V. Farrell Co.) almost 9 years ago

By the way, while AR has so many teriffic features, it also has section that mimic FB.  I know it's great for everyone to share, and I don't have to read or see these poses, but enough already with photos of people's dogs, cats, flowers, etc.  I don't care and they have nothing to do with real estate.  I'd love to see the point system tweaked here to makes sure that people post about relevant topics.  I'm not looking for a Stasi overlord to review every post, but I know that most people are allowed to blog ad infinitum about nonsense or, more recently, I saw someone post over 300 Blogs in under 48 hours.  They were simply adding their entire local MLS to AR by some robot or other. 

Don't get me wrong - I'd love to replace my local MLS with Active Rain as then I could return to having control over my listings!.  But, that's not the case just yet.  In the mean time, it would be nice to have two columns of blogs - one for real estate discussions, another for people mass blogging listings or other advertisements, and maybe, actually, a third for people to self-assess what they are writing and post to the third column called "fairly useless crap which some people might find entertaining." 

Or, the third column could be - "Look here if you simply want to make inane comments on inane posts to get your 25 points."

I think you and I are called 'haters', but I don't think that's the case.  I think it is that we can see a little farher down the line to the deleterious effects that FB is having on our society.  And, Tweets, give me a break.  I don't care what 99.9999% of humanity ever has to say.  I surely don't need to be tweeted by anyone other than my radiologist in the case of a bad x-ray.  Otherwise, get some degree of self esteem (or, actually, get rid of your sense of self-importance, and skip the tweet that your cat just had babies or your just abouto to board a plane. 

The economy is in the crapper.  Everyone says it's e-commerce that will help pull us out of it.  Does anyone stop to think it may be things like FB and the other 'social media' that caused our economy to crash.  Everyone has their heads so far up their - facebook accounts - that they don't do anything while our politicians run rampat over our rights and our finances.

OK - I'm done.  You hit a nerve in me!

Posted by David Farrell, Licensed NY State Real Estate Broker (David V. Farrell Co.) almost 9 years ago

Pink dashiki fashion blogs and Bichon Frise lovers blogs seem like they're just not suited for ActiveRain, David.

I'm not a hater. I'm a pragmatist. I'm a person who takes a practical approach to problems and I'm concerned primarily with the success or failure of the actions precipitating from their advent. As a realist, I also have to accept the world as it literally is and deal with it accordingly or make the changes necessary which further assist me with my need to conform to the modifications in lifestyle. Making the adjustments may not be easy, but the act of adjusting something to match a standard and the process of adapting to something, such as a change in environmental conditions, because of necessity is an essential modification of internalized representations in order to accommodate a changing knowledge of the reality of the way things are for the moment. If I love to water ski I'm not going to the Sahara Desert.

No question that "F"book was a phenomenon. "WAS" (and I refused to use it then because I knew it was hoi polloi poison) Now that the act of improving by expanding or enlarging or refining "F"book is not an issue any longer it's not a phenomenon for users or anybody else. It's old news and become a place for cyber bullies and exploitation. It's a kind of a freak show for those with morbid curiosity and a place for ex lovers to spy on the jilted relations. But it lives up to the slogan "for the people". What kind of people is the question ?

"F"book and the other social networks are going to be around for awhile. Users will get tired of the programs and drift away like they always do, but some will continue to make "F"book a vestige of their biological constituency, become attached to it at the hip and leave their DNA strands and garbage in cyber Joe Schmoedom.

"F"book is utilitarian. Proof is the "I Had a Salad Tossed on Me in Poland" (click) blog roll.

"F"book also caters to many users gravely lacking intellectual acuity. The appeal to minors are the easy cookie-cutter mechanics constructing web pages in "F"book and the cheap high they get from a state of mental numbness resulting from the shock of sensory overload. They enjoy subscribing to violent interaction with individuals or groups entering into chaotic streams of unorganized cognition, many with personal beliefs or irrational judgment not founded on any proof or certainty leading to cyber bullying, ridicule and horrific crime.

"F"book, is dangerous.


Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago
I bet you still have a black and white tv.
Posted by Kay almost 9 years ago

I did have a black and white tv that once belonged to Elvis that my girlfriend bought me years ago, but we donated it to charity. I'm not into Mafia Wars or Salad Tossing In Poland blogs. Facebook sucks, but that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I'd hesitate to do business with people who use it, and intensify my scrutiny of them before I do. "F"book should provide a can of oil to each rusty automaton that subscribes to it.

Invasion of the Body Snatchers

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

David, this is some of the best writing on this topic I've read. Boingboing.net has a great article called "Facebook of the Dead." I quit "F" book 2-1/2 years ago after a very short time spent on it. I received a computer virus from an incoming message, and the Farmville requests were obnoxious. I find it hard to believe that anyone actually generates real estate business from FB--but what do I know? I agree that FB is dangerous, especially for teens. It's vapid and hideous. After reading this I'm thinking of closing my twitter account and google+. I've not generated business from either of those social media sites. I don't tweet what I've had for breakfast, just blog posts on real estate and my listings. You've shed some more light on the monstrosity called social media. 

Posted by Pamela Seley, Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA (West Coast Realty Division) almost 9 years ago

ActiveRain has transparency and integrity, Pamela. The penalties for behavior unbecoming members of our profession are serious. Participation and engagement in a gregariously unstable, unfocused, mood-swinging setting is a formula for disaster, creates resentful disposition and a lack of trust. Healthy commerce has no place there, nor will it ever succeed.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago


I am not very techy but in the last month there has been a story stating that even when you log out of FB their site tracks your internet activity.  So they have a good pattern of your habits to sell.   Frightening.  Not sure how accurate the infor is but it was enough to stop me from going to FB on any type of regular basis.  I do like to connect with old friends though and it is an easy platform to do so.

Posted by Faye Y. Taylor, Homes for Sale Floresville, La Vernia & San Antoni (StepStone Realty, LLC ) almost 9 years ago

There's a snippet of code than can be downloaded to the registry of your operating system that tracks your presence and key clicks, Faye. The name of the program eludes me, but F'Book users would be prime candidates for that type of intrusion because of the incoherency and overall lack of cohesion of the platform. F'Book use is like standing under a tree in an open field in an electrical storm. Have you ever read their EULA (end users agreement) ? It's safe to presume that most will not, nor have they ever. They just click "agree" and move on never knowing what's lurking behind their browser embedded in the F'Book source code. F'Book has the potential to be nasty. Beware.... Nice to hear from you.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago


Unfortunately I use Facebook, but I despise it. It is a waste of time, but I can't deny the link love it can provide, so I will use it.... for now.

Posted by Devona Garrigus, REALTOR® / Short Sale Specialist (Garrigus Real Estate) almost 9 years ago


Dollars one will spend on F'Book, Devona.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

That's the average annual income of the average FB user you're showing right there.  I don't think they can afford to spend all that. 

Posted by David Farrell, Licensed NY State Real Estate Broker (David V. Farrell Co.) almost 9 years ago


Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

You've got the post that will never die - and I noticed up top that 'points have been removed' from it.  What's up with that - they don't like the photos?

Posted by David Farrell, Licensed NY State Real Estate Broker (David V. Farrell Co.) almost 9 years ago

I typically post 20 to 30 or so blog posts a week, David. When the ten post limit has been reached the "points for posts removed" icon is displayed by default unless I've chosen to implement the icon by checking the box that says, "not my content" when I upload my post, which I typically do when I receive the financial crimes reporting from the government or other sources for reprint. Even though points are removed for posting the blog, comments still generate a few points. The point system is fun, however, and important to ActiveRain because of the healthy and very spirited competitive nature it's created.

Posted by David Saks ((retired)) almost 9 years ago

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